Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..

[Boo_Ray]

So to get topic started. . .
Roulette is a game of chance for some predictable for some. . unpredictable.
but still we all hope and believe that it is beatable in some ways. .

Facts that I know:
- Previous spin or number has nothing to do with the next spin
- There is no betting system that will win longterm and therefor there is no Holy Grail


My thoughts

-Probability.  For me I think it is useless to calculate anything related to probability because even if it is mathematically nearly impossible to happen. .  It will still happen and at that time it can do a lot of damage. .  roulette can do extreme and strange things. .

- Previous spin  has nothing to do with the next spin, - roulette still produces patterns that can be exploited with some logic and most important very good money management.  But you need brains, balls and bankroll to get some profit, and you can still lose. .  

- Wheel bias. .  Almost my favourite, but it is hard to find wheels today and it takes a lot of time to chart but at least it can be done. .

- Roulette can be boring (very boring)

- It is hard to be patient and disciplined

- Every shortterm eventually becomes a longterm

- There are strategies to get out in profit (but they usually require big bankroll and a lot of time)

- Everything takes time and patience

- The best way for me is try to take advantage of the wheel. . .  Bias or VB (but it is hard work)




cons that I am avare of:

- to be clear - roulette is never a guaranteed profit when you decide that you need some spare money. .

- you usually need a very huge bankroll to take a small profit if you don't have any advantage on the wheel itself.

- you can bust that very huge bankroll on your first attempt

- you just can't win big if you are not lucky

pros:

- casinos work 24/7 so you can play it anytime you want
- you can always say stop I don't want to do it anymore and leave
- you can win big
- you can have consistent wins

These are my first few things maybe I add some more later or maybe another day. .
For now:
Why roulette?
Is it worth the effort?
How much would you risk?

thru my gambling career I am now sure of a few things. . .  To win at roulette you must work and work does pay of. .  You can never just win big if you are following a strategy or if you want to make steady profits. .
For me - Roulette money is not easy money. .  It is hard earned money

good night   and sorry for my English xD

[Gizmotron]

Facts that I know:
- Previous spin or number has nothing to do with the next spin
- There is no betting system that will win longterm and therefor there is no Holy Grail

Any previous set of spins can be part of a streak that continues for at least one more spin of that streak. Therefore past spins can be part of future results once they occur. So they do have something to do with future spins. They have coincidence.

There is a way to win long term.  Always quite a session while you are ahead or when you reach your goal. If you have more winning sessions than losing sessions then you have a long term winning method.

People that say these two concepts are not real and that they can't work never bother to tell your that they can't do these things. It's a minor over-site and part and parcel of dealing with people on the internet.

[VLS]

Thanks for sharing an thought-provoking first post Boo_ray, and welcome (again!) to our forum.

If you have more winning sessions than losing sessions then you have a long term winning method.

I agree.

The game to play is the game of AVERAGES.

Losing sessions are somewhat unavoidable, so the thing that really counts is how little you lose when you lose contrasted with the overall amount you win from the sessions.

100% spot-on Mark,

Regards.

[Boo_Ray]

Any previous set of spins can be part of a streak that continues for at least one more spin of that streak.

I agree. .  But next spin can also be the end of th streak. .  So relations between numbers can still be a coincidence. .

so the thing that really counts is how little you lose when you lose

I think that is the most important thing player has to learn. .  to lose as little as possible even on a losing sessions. . .

[Jordan]

yes but it is not in ur hands to lose little,when u are playing a session with rules,because when u will have a loss, u will continue playing in the same session hoping that u will recover, or make the loss less....
Noone can tell u what will folow next!

[Boo_Ray]

yes but it is not in your hands to lose little,when you are playing a session with rules,because when you will have a loss,you will continue playing in the same session hoping that you will recover ,or make the loss less. . . .
no one can tell you what will follow next!

yes but when trying to recover from loss it is sensible to make a break to clear your head and maybe to wait for roulette to complete bad streak for you. .  or try to change style of play. .

[FENDER1000]

I agree. .  But next spin can also be the end of the streak. .  So relations between numbers can still be a coincidence. .

I think that is the most important thing player has to learn. .  to lose as little as possible even on a losing sessions. . .

Boo welcome, this is my take on the so-called unbeatable game. People beat themselves. If you come to the wheel with a half decent strategy with a high enough strike rate and the neccessary personal skills. You are going to walk away a winner alot more than you lose or break even.
This idea that a bad session can/should wipe out your bankroll is alien to me. WHY? It can only happen if your strategy is no good to start with and you are using suicidal staking like the Martingale.

Every worthwhile strategy must have saftey mechanisms built in. Stop loss limits are essential. You at all times should be in control of how much you can potentially lose. And half of a strategies value comes from that loss being limited and infrequent. Otherwise you don't have a strategy worth anything, if everytime you face the wheel it can potentially wipe you out its worthless.

One of the biggest mistakes that newbies make is coming to the game with a paltry bankroll. As soon as they get a bad run they're finished. If you want to win 30 pounds a day you should have a bankroll of at least 1,000. Then you are aiming to generate 3% turnover per day. Which is very realistic. Too many gamblers try to win too great a sum of money in relation to their power-base. BIG MISTAKE. Make sure that your bankroll can withstand at least 10 losing sessions in a row or its too small.

I myself use Ã,£20 points. But I am drawing that from a 19,000 pound bankroll. If someone else were using that size point with say a 1,000 they're severely overstaking in relation to the size of their bankroll. Remember its money we are risking to make money. The bankroll is your powerbase. It must be respected and preserved at all times. Especially when it becomes your livelyhood. If you have a decent strategy like the crossplay 5 or THE zone. And you are playing it with a powerful bankroll. You are never going to lose it. Its only going to grow and grow.

Never underestimate the importance of good money management in roulette or any form of gambling. It can be the difference between success and failure. Setting stop loss limits is crucial to BE IN CONTROL. You may not be able to control what happens in every betting session. But you can control how much you lose. And set limits (reasonable ones) for how much you want to win on average per day. I aim for 5 points a day, anymore is a bonus. I never push to win too much in one day. Remember the less of your bankroll you expose to the wheel the better. Get in and out swiftly. Never play for a minute longer than you have to. Many people have destroyed themselves from the in-ability to quit at the right time. The shorter your session THE BETTER. Then house edge and downturn have little chance of getting you. Play long drawn out sessions. And you become a 99 percenter. Likely to lose by the end of the night. Be the 1 percenter who goes home or to bed, better off than he was. Thats my game.

[MrJ]

Months back (on a few boards) I started two great threads. One was...Facts regarding roulette and the other was.....Opinions regarding roulette. It was lots of fun and got everyone thinking a bit. Of course I also had it posted at RF but it was deemed too 'disruptive' and not related to sales.    Ken

[Boo_Ray]

@fender

but do you know any method that wins 20% on your initial BR or something similar. .
because 3% for me is just not worth it, if method is not 100% sure and I know that nothing is 100% sure in roulette. .
I am not saying that its not capable of making some longterm profit. .

but on a good wheel with vb you can get more that 200% of br in one day. . .

[FENDER1000]

@fender

but do you know any method that wins 20% on your initial BR or something similar. .
because 3% for me is just not worth it, if method is not 100% sure and I know that nothing is 100% sure in roulette. .
I am not saying that its not capable of making some longterm profit. .

but on a good wheel with vb you can get more that 200% of br in one day. . .

Boo Ray, NOT WORTH IT? Do you realize that anytime you walk away from the wheel with a profit, whether it be 3% or 300% you have done something most people don't believe possible. NEVER BE GREEDY. If you can generate a living from watching a ball spin around a wheel with 37 numbers you have already achieved what nearly everyone thinks is impossible. You have broken the game of ROULETTE.

For you to say 3% isn't worth it shows a lack of experience, everything is relative Boo Ray. If I make 3% a week from a 19,000 pound bankroll is that worth it or not? People who try to get rich quick from Roulette usually do THE OPPOSITE.

You cannot RUSH THINGS, you must run your strategy like a business. As your bankroll grows so do your investments (stakes) The idea is to increase what a POINT IS WORTH TO YOU. So you need to win LESS OF THEM, in order to generate a living. I for example can live off just 3 points profit a day. That is the equivalent of 60 pounds a day tax free 7 days a week is 420 pounds. Although I make anything from 800 to 2000 pounds a week. So this need to make hundreds of points a day is dangerous, and puts you at the mercy of the wheel.

You have to build your bankroll SLOWLY BUT SURELY. LETS SAY WHEN YOU START OUT A POINT IS WORTH 2 POUNDS TO YOU. With a strategy like the CROSSPLAY 5. You can generate 10--15 points profit a day. from 3 sessions. Within 3 months when a point is worth 4 pounds to you. 15 x 4 = 60 pounds average a day. That is living level. And you now have your destiny in your own hands. And let me tell you that is a helluva feeling. Knowing you anwser to no other for your living but your own skill at besting the wheel. So the first thing you need is a bankroll of ideally 500 pounds. In three months thats 1,000 easy. You now can make a living. Don't think about getting rich overnight BOO RAY, that is fools gold. Think about generating a living in the near future and you will.

[Boo_Ray]

I never said about winning overnight. . 
but I just want to know why you take 3% why not 10%?

[FENDER1000]

I never said about winning overnight. .  
but I just want to know why you take 3% why not 10%?

Okay Boo Ray to start with what size bankroll do you have? That is your powerbase. The biggest mistake of ALLTIME made by people playing Roulette is they think they are going to turn a small bankroll into a fortune quickly. You need 250 POINTS minumum to be honest Boo Ray or you shouldn't be gambling.

Next you have to define you total risk on a game in relation your bankroll. If it cannot withstand 10 losing sessions it TOO SMALL.

Yes you may win 10% a day. But you have to work out the time spent and risk to do so. I have been saying this and will continue to do so. NEVER BET FOR A MINUTE LONGER THAN YOU HAVE TOO. The wheel can destroy you IF YOU ALLOW IT TO.

I will give you an example of what I realistically think you should aim for. If you have say a 300 point bankroll. Aim to increase it by 5% per day. OR 15 POINTS. That is very good believe me. In just 20 days you will have doubled it if you average that per day. IF you can honestly say you are growing your entire bankroll by 5% each and every day. You will get absolute respect from me and anyone else in the know about this game. I DON'T. I have days where I only make 1 or 2 percent. If I grew my power base by 5% everyday. I would be a millionaire by xmas. It is harder than you think believe me.

Let me show you what 300 points becomes in just 30 days if you can really grow your bankroll by 5% everyday. Watch this Boo Ray.

STARTING BANKROLL==300 POINTS
(01)=315
(02)=330
(03)=345
(04)=360
(05)=375
(06)=390
(07)=405
(08)=425
(09)=446.5
(10)=468.83
(11)=492.28
(12)=516.89
(13)=542.73
(14)=569.87
(15)=598.36
(16)=628.28------MORE THAN DOUBLED YOUR BANKROLL IN 16 DAYS
(17)=659.70
(18)=692.68
(19)=727.32
(20)=763.68
(21)=801.87
(22)=841.96
(23)=884.06
(24)=928.26------MORE THAN TREBLED YOUR BANKROLL IN 24 DAYS
(25)=974.68
(26)=1023.41----You have now reached a level where a living can be generated
(27)=1074.58
(28)=1128.31
(29)=1184.73
(30)=1243.96----MORE THAN QUADRUPPLED YOUR BANKROLL IN JUST 1 MONTH

Do you now see what I am saying now Boo Ray. If you can truly increase your bankroll by even 5% each and every day. You are doing EXTREMELY WELL. In just 30 days you will have quadruppled it and be at a level where a living can be generated from it. 5% a day is super fantastic Boo let me tell you. I have never been able to maintain it no one can REALLY. So forget all this 10% or more. If you can TRULY achieve 5% each and everyday. You will be very comfortable in just 1 year.

[Boo_Ray]

I know from the start what were you trying to say. . .  but for me stoping at 5% tells me that I am always and everytime highly exposed to bust my entire BR and 15 days to doubleing br is alot. . .  if you lose twice you must win day by day every day for a month just to break even. .

taking 300unit bankroll for example. .

I rather search 10 days to find a good wheel and spend another day to be sure that you can take advantage. . .  then on the 12th day bring half of your br (150 in this case) and triple it to 450 in a couple of hours. .  and ONLY if you are very unlucky you go home with lost 150br and you can still have another go. . . or if you already tripled it you can spend a couple more hours and bring BR to 1000 or more if you have enough stamina. .
that is way more that doubled br in less than 15 days. . .  without taking too much risk. .

but with a staking plan like you play (no advantage at all). . .  everytime you play you are exposed to high loss to win a small profit. .

I know only one method (without taking any advantage) that is capable to bring 10% consistently with only 100units. .  LW with 6 point div. .  I am not sure who deserves the credit. . but it is work of Victor(VLS) and Lanky
you can also double br with it but you must drink alot of energy drinks to do it in one go xD

[FENDER1000]

I know from the start what were you trying to say. . .  but for me stoping at 5% tells me that I am always and everytime highly exposed to bust my entire BR and 15 days to doubleing br is a lot. . .  if you lose twice you must win day by day every day for a month just to break even. .

taking 300unit bankroll for example. .

I rather search 10 days to find a good wheel and spend another day to be sure that you can take advantage. . .  then on the 12th day bring half of your br (150 in this case) and triple it to 450 in a couple of hours. .  and ONLY if you are very unlucky you go home with lost 150br and you can still have another go. . . or if you already tripled it you can spend a couple more hours and bring BR to 1000 or more if you have enough stamina. .
that is way more that doubled br in less than 15 days. . .  without taking too much risk. .

but with a staking plan like you play (no advantage at all). . .  everytime you play you are exposed to high loss to win a small profit. .

I know only one method (without taking any advantage) that is capable to bring 10% consistently with only 100units. .  LW with 6 point div. .  I am not sure who deserves the credit. . but it is work of Victor(VLS) and Lanky
you can also double br with it but you must drink a lot of energy drinks to do it in one go xD

Boo Ray if you are in danger of losing half your bankroll something is wrong. I am not sure I can help you because you are leaving it to luck alright. VB is a dreamers game. You need a strategy like THE ZONE, or crossplay 5.I started with a bankroll of Ã,£100 in 2000. I now have over 19,000. Yes I have won over 1/8th of a million over the last 10 years but I draw living expenses from that. Otherwise it would be alot more. I did it SLOWLY BUT surely. If you lack PATIENCE. Forget it, you're doomed. Yes you may get lucky and win a chunk but you will always lose it again. Not my game at all. I am here to make a steady living and re-invest the profits I don't use. Thats the name of the game...

[GARNabby]

Good posts, FENDER.