Roulette - why do we play it.. and what do we actualy believe in..

[Jordan]

   Roulette is just a game that has a negative expectation.
It is designed that way in order the player never to be able to overcome thein -2.7 in the long term.
Roulette can not been beaten and the proof is that it is still inside the casinos.
 So the conclution is that roulette is considered as a lucky  game for the player to pass his time having fun.(lossing is never fun although)
This fun that you are having is a service of the Casino and any service should get payed.and that's why you are losing.  

Now the reason why Roulette is a game that everyone like to search it and hope that he will beat it one day is coming from 2 factors(also called gamblers fallacy)

1)its the only game that you can see the past resaults(that they have no meaning at all)
2)you can make deferent kind of bettings(doz col etc....also without any meaning)

The sooner you will all understand this very simple truth...the sooner you will set your soul free.

The only reason for someone to gain a better advantage than the -2.7 is the Advantage-play methods.

even if i will not log in any Roulette forum for 10 years and come back then....everyone will be  still keep searching.

If there were a system that beats Roulette it would be wide known by now and the Roulette would have closed.
No secret that involvs MONEY is a secret.

I hope one day to realise all these.and when you will do....just remember the name JORDAN

[superman]

Bah negative post Jordan, a month ago you had the grail, what happened?

I think people need to study random further, not give up, I only play RNG and trust me, there are patterns you CAN capitalise on, the only problem is as humans we can easily miss these patterns, and I am not talking about 'after 18 reds, bet black' that's rubbish and asking for trouble as we all know, EC's are were you should focus on, don't try to beat roulette, aim at beating random itself. 

Long live bots, just tell them where to look and they will!!

[Boo_Ray]

I don't want to argue. .  but your game can also be dreamers game

[FENDER1000]

  Roulette is just a game that has a negative expectation.
It is designed that way in order the player never to be able to overcome their -2.7 in the long term.
Roulette can not be beaten and the proof is that it is still inside the casinos.
 So the conclusion is that roulette is considered as a lucky  game for the player to pass his time having fun.(losing is never fun although)
This fun that you are having is a service of the Casino and any service should get payed.and that's why you are losing.  

Now the reason why Roulette is a game that everyone like to search it and hope that he will beat it one day is coming from 2 factors(also called gamblers fallacy)

1)its the only game that you can see the past results(that they have no meaning at all)
2)you can make different kind of bettings(doz col etc....also without any meaning)

The sooner you will all understand this very simple truth...the sooner you will set your soul free.

The only reason for someone to gain a better advantage than the -2.7 is the Advantage-play methods.

even if i will not log in any Roulette forum for 10 years and come back then....everyone will be  still keep searching.

If there were a system that beats Roulette it would be wide known by now and the Roulette would have closed.
No secret that involves MONEY is a secret.

I hope one day to realise all these.and when you will do....just remember the name JORDAN

I am afraid you are very wrong in that assumption Jordan I have been making my living playing this game for the last 6 years. And there is something new on the horizon thats about to decode the game once and for all. I am not breaking it yet because its not my idea. But it is a grail of no equal.

The reason that roulette still stands is the human beings that play it themselves. NOT THE SYSTEMS. If you could program enough people to think and play exactly like I do. ROULETTE IS DONE. I gaurantee you of that. Now with the ultimate strategy about to hit this forum. I will even invite you along with me Jordan in 2011 when I hit Vegas like its never been hit before. You will see before your very eyes how beatable this game is. And you will revise your thought process in a hurry. I promise you that. 

[Gizmotron]

... Now with the ultimate strategy about to hit this forum. I will even invite you along with me Jordan in 2011 when I hit Vegas like its never been hit before. You will see before your very eyes how beatable this game is. And you will revise your thought process in a hurry. I promise you that.  

I thought you were going to take down Vegas in 2012 ? What happened? Did you discover that the world was supposed to come to an end in 2012 ? If you aren't selling something on the side somewhere then you are missing all that good fortune you are presenting. You might want to admit that you are in fact selling something. How could you not be? Anyone that reads your claims knows that you change your tune more than a juke box does. I'm just saying that this claim contradicts your past claims. Why is that?

[GARNabby]

Yes, giz, that's what i was wondering with that latest post from FENDER.

"Taking down Vegas" with what...  Math?  VB?   At least hint at what such a system is based on before selling those "books" which haven't been written.

[Boo_Ray]

Vegas will go broke due to fender. . .  I want to see how he does it. .  well maybe he is selling plane tickets to las vegas or something. .

@fender. . .
you have a dreamers game. . .  and you have alot to learn. . .  specialy that it doesnt make any diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . . 

So fender a quick example. . . .  You are playing your whatever method that is and get lucky and win your 3% of your your BR . . . . but just as you stoped another guy joins for next spin  and plays exactly the same as you would. . .  Is now he more exposed to fail because combined profit would be 6% of 1 BR? 
and if he just accidently make another 3%, ANOTHER guy decides to play the next spins(exactly the same). . .  Now is he realy pushing the limits and luck because a combined profit would be whooping 9%?
Basicly it is same with you. . . . Just that you are the same guy, but another day. . .

and again I just wan't to know what makes the diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . .  is it realy more likeli to fall next? and do you know that you might just miss some profit during that wait to miss 4 times. . .  maybe right now it comes 10times in a row and you just missed it, then it sleeps for 4 spins make a bet and lose because nothing unordinary happened and dozen slept for 5th time. . or am I just dreaming because ball realy has brains and knows that it is statisticly just not right to sleep for another spin or another 20 spins?

[trebor]

Fender, I take it that you will be rich enough to retire when you go to Vegas because the publicity you will generate when the casinos stock market values fall will destroy your income.

I think you should reconsider your plans.  I want to carry on playing roulette after 2012.

Trebor.

[FENDER1000]

I thought you were going to take down Vegas in 2012 ? What happened? Did you discover that the world was supposed to come to an end in 2012 ? If you aren't selling something on the side somewhere then you are missing all that good fortune you are presenting. You might want to admit that you are in fact selling something. How could you not be? Anyone that reads your claims knows that you change your tune more than a juke box does. I'm just saying that this claim contradicts your past claims. Why is that?

Giz how are you? What am I selling? Have you ever seen me asked for money for any of my strategies? Give it up you are smarter than that. I need not a penny from anyone. I make plenty from doing what I preach. Thats the whole point of my argument Giz. No I have brought it forward by a year. Because a certain member of this forum has just decoded the game. I AM SERIOUS. And I have been testing it and made a fortune already.It will be free to all once its fully proofed by me and my friend. It is 99% bullet proof. We are just looking to make it even better before releasing it to Joe public. 

[FENDER1000]

Fender, I take it that you will be rich enough to retire when you go to Vegas because the publicity you will generate when the casinos stock market values fall will destroy your income.

I think you should reconsider your plans.  I want to carry on playing roulette after 2012.

Trebor.

Trebor RELAX, I have no intention of destroying Vegas. No single person could ever do that. My objective is to PROVE once and for all that ROULETTE CAN BE SYSTEMATICALLY BEATEN. Thats all. And in the 2 weeks I spend there I will do exactly that.

[atlantis]

And I have been testing it and made a fortune already.It will be free to all once its fully proofed by me and my friend. It is 99% bullet proof. We are just looking to make it even better before releasing it to Joe public.

Hi Fender,
If you need any help in testing (before or after) let me know.

A.

[trebor]

Phew! Thanks for the reassurance Fender. I was really sweating.

Trebor

[FENDER1000]

Vegas will go broke due to fender. . .  I want to see how he does it. .  well maybe he is selling plane tickets to las vegas or something. .

@fender. . .
you have a dreamers game. . .  and you have a lot to learn. . .  specialy that it doesn't make any diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . . 

So fender a quick example. . . .  You are playing your whatever method that is and get lucky and win your 3% of your your BR . . . . but just as you stoped another guy joins for next spin  and plays exactly the same as you would. . .  Is now he more exposed to fail because combined profit would be 6% of 1 BR? 
and if he just accidently make another 3%, ANOTHER guy decides to play the next spins(exactly the same). . .  Now is he realy pushing the limits and luck because a combined profit would be whooping 9%?
Basicly it is same with you. . . . Just that you are the same guy, but another day. . .

and again I just wan't to know what makes the diference if you wait for dozen to sleep 4 times. . .  is it realy more likeli to fall next? and do you know that you might just miss some profit during that wait to miss 4 times. . .  maybe right now it comes 10times in a row and you just missed it, then it sleeps for 4 spins make a bet and lose because nothing unordinary happened and dozen slept for 5th time. . or am I just dreaming because ball realy has brains and knows that it is statisticly just not right to sleep for another spin or another 20 spins?
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Boo you are not understanding the reason WE WAIT FOUR SPINS BEFORE BETTING. and here it is. ON AVERAGE, 50% of losing  streaks for the dozens come to rest on THE 5TH OR 6TH SPIN.

Now think about that for a moment, in a random game with a ball that has no memory. THOSE TWO SPINS OWN HALF THE MARKET. WHETHER A STREAK GOES 5 SPINS OR 30. Is not the point. The point is I know I can expect a strike rate of around 50%. And from that knowledge the Crossplay 5 and Zone draw their success. If you don't believe me test it for yourself. Once your can see a pattern like that you can forge a strategy to take advantage of it. Thats how you win at Roulette. Strike-rate percentage rule this game and always will. It matters not about negative expectancy and house edge. They cannot take away the fact that strike rate delivers
Constantly.

[F_LAT_INO]

Trebor RELAX, I have no intention of destroying Vegas. No single person could ever do that. My objective is to PROVE once and for all that ROULETTE CAN BE SYSTEMATICALLY BEATEN. that's all. And in the 2 weeks I spend there I will do exactly that.

Roulette can be systematically beaten----That is a fact----
Im doing it for years,but don't have to prove it to anybody,or do I ?
No sir.Nor would I ever publish it public/the method you are making profit of/
while some claim incredible invisible things hopping that somebody else may make their ideas better,swapping the suggested method several times and in the end all will be forgoten very soon.Tomorrow a new idea will be born,with same unbeatable claims.

[TwoCatSam]

In keeping with the topic...........  Why do I play it?  What do I believe in?


First and foremost, I play for fun.  If it wasn't fun, why do it?  Starting with a bankroll and seeing how long I can keep it.  Trying to play perfectly without error.  Testing the system to the fullest.

I believe that the wheel does things in bursts.  How long do these bursts last?  Anyone's guess!  While playing the G.U.T. I noticed that what the wheel does today, it may not do tomorrow.  When the wheel worked for me, I played;  When the wheel was being spun by the Devil, I logged off and dug in the dirt.

I once said, while playing the VLS LW Methodology, that I could tell which way the wind was blowing.  Meaning whether to stay or go.  Worked pretty darn well.  I did not use a progression and won a little here and there.  To me, a progression is like charging something on your credit card and thinking you never have to pay.  You do!

I must compliment fender1000 as the man writes well.  (Not to insult those whose first language is not English!)  I find myself wanting to believe in what I know to be as phony as a "Top Hat" for an oil spill.

Lastly, it's always fun to try to do that which has never been done, i.e., to find the "Holy Grail" of roulette. 

Hint:  It may lie with Parrando!

Sam