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[Moxy]

Unbeknownst to yourself, you are a sly, opportunistic capitalist above all.  You wouldn't sell your blueprint of your hypothetical hg for anything.  It's priceless. 

Only the poor schmucks on here somewhat desperate enough for your offer or just validation would share their hg here for pennies on teh dollar which is what you hope for essentially.

[Moxy]

I explained why I wouldn't just release it to every undeserving nitwit. If everyone had it, which includes the casinos, then it would be useless.  Read back what I said I'd do. Anyway now you are just speaking shit.

Well, no kidding, Sherlock.  I've been pining for people on here to keep their stuff close to the vest and not let you part their valuable input from them for everyone else, especially you, to see.

This is your desperation grab at a hg even if it means more eyes of the members of this board can see it along as well.

[Steve]

You are a farty pants

[Steve]

I can get a 30-150% edge on modern wheels. We can beat almost every wheel. I can watch my teams win via live video stream, while I'm home in my pijamas. There's more. I don't mean to brag but you're saying stupid things.

And you think I'm desperate for the hg?

Ps, i dont really wear pjs. I practically live in shorts without even tshirt.

[Moxy]

I can get a 30-150% edge on modern wheels. We can beat almost every wheel. I can watch my teams win via live video stream, while I'm home in my pijamas. There's more. I don't mean to brag but you're saying stupid things.

And you think I'm desperate for the hg?

Ps, i dont really wear pjs. I practically live in shorts without even tshirt.

I'm sure that's the edge.  Way off from what you stated on the AP forum site which I won't divulge.  Anyways, I am happy for you.  I am a capitalist as well.  What separates us is that I am not dubious.  Fair market value is what I strive for.  I would never try to hustle other people of their ingenuity.   

I would love to share my input with a very rich person someday that respects fair market value.  But I'll be fine as well, regardless.   In time.

[Steve]

Check my public computer demo. 120% edge. The one where idiots say i must have used paid actors to act amazed.

Highest I've gotten is astound 200% but that's rare. Mostly we get around 40%.

Moxy, before you have a go at me, make sure you know what youre talking about.

[Moxy]

Check my public computer demo. 120% edge. The one where idiots say i must have used paid actors to act amazed.

Highest I've gotten is astound 200% but that's rare. Mostly we get around 40%.

Moxy, before you have a go at me, make sure you know what your talking about.

How about an aggregate, lifetime edge.  I assume 40% is that edge?

[Steve]

Well if you factor in progression, the realized edge is probably more than double. Could be like 300% but when we see the edge is strong and clear, we don't bother calculating it.

Take the public demo for example. What's 93% win rate with 15 numbers while using the martingale? High. But there's not much point to progression because you win almost every spin.

Can we cover 15 numbers. Sure with proper team.  It isn't needed.  Usually 3 or so numbers is fine.

[Moxy]

Well if you factor in progression, the realized edge is probably more than double. Could be like 300% but when we see the edge is strong and clear, we don't bother calculating it.

Take the public demo for example. What's 93% win rate with 15 numbers while using the martingale? High. But there's not much point to progression because you win almost every spin.

Can we cover 15 numbers. Sure with proper team.  It isn't needed.  Usually 3 or so numbers is fine.

I was simplifying it to flat inside bets across the board per spin.  The same way I gauge my edge regardless if it's inside or outside.

[TurboGenius]

Hundreds of millions in winnings on slot machines. Just like real casinos:

Did you see my post at GF ?
The minimum on those slots are 1k per pull.
On a $1 slot in the casino someone wins 10k you wouldn't blink over it.
On a $1,000.00 min slot someone wins $10,000,000 - you're pointing to it as a sign it's all wrong. It's the same math you know. Just saying.
Each slot will also show you the win/lose rate average - it's the exact same as a slot machine in the casino... but you're not thinking about this because the min wager on any pull is astronomical on the site. The math is the same, sorry.

[TurboGenius]

And you deliberately lost all the parx money, because.

because I was told over and over that it was all fixed for me to win.
I made a thread about it before I did it. I lost it on purpose to show that even with the massive bankroll that I had - it didn't mean I would keep winning (your theory).
The only reason I was ranking high and winning was because of how I was playing - not because it was "rigged" for me to win - but anyway, that's not proof enough for some people.
Besides - building it back up like I did the first time (again, to make a point). 6th place last week, in the top 10 this week with 3 days to go. 340k bankroll. Means nothing I know - everyone can do it.
And what's with someone ranking higher because they can play longer with a bigger bankroll ? Isn't that reality ?
Player 1 goes into the casino with 200 and player 2 with 2,000 of course player 2 can play longer if they play equal table limits (like the site).
And everyone gets the same log in bonus... everyone gets the same opportunity to win the leaderboard weekly challenges. It's fair across the board for everyone and yes - people have different bankrolls despite this.
Some people don't know how to win, while others do.
Giving someone 7 million won't make them rank in first - and if they don't know how to win, they'll just lose it all (as I proved)

[TurboGenius]

Turbo has the holy grail. He proved it with fun money. But he isn't really interested in making millions in real money.
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Most people might be, but I'm not motivated by money. That's one of the blinders for people to understand my simple motives.

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I lost track if I'm a idiot or not. Money isn't my motivation and you say it's not yours.
We're both idiots. lol

[Steve]

Turbo, let's simplify this.

You claim to be able to win around $7 MILLION for a small amount of work with your hg system. You proved it with parx with play money.

So why havent you done it with real money?

[Steve]

Ok so money isn't your motivtion. Am i to assume its then intellectual pursuit?

Im not motivated by money, as much as others are. But I'm not an idiot. If i could still make $7 MILLION effortlessly, even with RNG, I would do it.

So ultimately you haven't made $7m with real money... because you dont want to? Am I correct? Please give details.

[TurboGenius]

Turbo, let's simplify this.
You claim to be able to win around $7 MILLION for a small amount of work with your hg system. You proved it with parx with play money.
So why havent you done it with real money?

I'm not sure that's a simple question or a simple answer.
I've always been motivated to beat this game - to make random predictable.
To use the math I'm given by the game and use it to win.
It never was about winning money. You say you're the same - so this we have in common.
I'm not motivated to win tons of money - I "DO" though much prefer being in the casino playing over a "game" online or RX, of course.
I do go, I do win. People who know me and have gone with me will vouch for me that I've never lost money in a casino. But that's proof of nothing (really, it isn't).
When I get older (older now....sighs..) I intend to play daily since I'm literally surrounded by casinos. But even then it won't be to win shitloads of money, it will be for the satisfaction that I've beaten the game.
Online with "turbo" mode on - and 3 months.. I made 7 million.
In a real casino it would take much longer - but still could be done.
2-3k per visit would be fine, changing casinos daily and staying under the radar to some extent - it would still be work (in my book). I know AP players want to go in and hit hard and walk out with a suitcase filled with money (not literally) but that's not me.
In reality I would be doing it for entertainment - that wouldn't count as "proof" in anyone's book either.. there would be just as many reasons put out on the forums, trust me lol
"Didn't play enough spins", "got lucky", "lied" - you name it, it would never end.
My account at Golden Nugget online is still sitting there (about the only legal online I can play in NJ that has live dealer/wheel).
Between there and AC, PA I could spread my play around enough to make a nice amount over time - travel as well...but like I said above, it's not my goal in life to make a fortune doing this. When I have actual free time (what age does that happen ?) of course I'll spend more time in the casino winning.
I go once or twice every two months now - that could change later.