define, hot number, once and for all

[Andre Chass]

Hey Steve, go ahead with this discussion. Like I said before, I don't know why you still care about these turbo arguments.

I won't be part of this. I'm out!

Go ahead guys!

[Moxy]

Hey if Turbo wins.  More power to him.  Don't know why it gets Steve all riled up?  Or is there ulterior motives.

[Steve]

Sure it will, I've calculated it. And it will never happen, and you know this.

Here you go again. It will never happen?

Maybe someone said this will never happen:
36,26,0,10,15,13,36,9,5,1,16,32,31,34,23,5,19,15,11,0,0,2,13,6,11,7,0,27,28,0,11,23,6,27,29,17,0

But who would have thought it would actually happen?

No. I Don't need to be a genius to know that casinos monitor their wheels - and if "random" isn't happening, they find out why. Bias wheel ? Sometimes - regardless they monitor the spins to track if a wheel is performing properly with it's random results. There would have to be limits in order for that to make any sense, hence random has limits. Fair enough ? Probably not. So if a wheel has a bias or malfunction - do they just say "Steve says it's possible with random so don't bother, it's just random".
It's all calculated and believe it or not - when "random" doesn't stay within limits, they know there's a problem. But I'm not being honest ?

No, bias does NOT have "limits" (besides hitting the same number only, forever and ever). Simply the casino considers specific analysis results to have statistical significance or not

Bias wheel players take advantage of hot numbers and hot wheel sectors because of the flaw that those AP player's exploit to their benefit, and I'm 100% sure the casinos are aware of them (probably not too scared though). I'm playing hot numbers - as I've said in the past (if you've read my posts). A hot number system player will be playing the same numbers as a bias wheel player - so I'll just assume they would be just as wary of that as well. But not scared. I win a small amount over time. I don't go in for the kill like most AP players tend to like doing. "Milk forever or cheeseburgers once" - I'll take milk forever.

There's a big difference between "hot numbers" and "bias".

Hot numbers:

* Are short term and almost always insignificant.
* Usually displayed free to players on touch-bet roulette, because it misleads players and profits the casino more.
* Will occur whether or not the wheel has truly random spins.

Biased numbers:

* Are analyzed in the longer term, and the data is much more significant.
* Usually have additional observation to verify bias (such as the sound example I explained earlier)
* Analysis with the above two points make it very unlikely that the anomaly is due to typical variance.
* Casinos would never blatantly reveal useful data to players that would make bias analysis easier.

Anyway we are really going in circles. The reason I'm trying to set the record straight is because things like your Parx results and claims are misleading and harmful to people. Even after the Parx math was explained, you are still using it to back your claims.  It's not like other people don't spread inaccurate information too. But you are one of the more followed members.

Don't know why it gets Steve all riled up?  Or is there ulterior motives.

Moxy, you really need to grow up.

[TurboGenius]

because things like your Parx results and claims are misleading and harmful to people.

Fair enough. Not another word on it from me.

[Steve]

If someone publicly tested a system on a mathematically rigged game, and claimed their system was the HG, generally should the claim be considered credible?

Please dont take it the wrong way. It's really not a personal thing.

[Moxy]

Of course not, good Sir.  It's a monetary thing e.g. "get back to me when you really have the hg".

[cht]

Anyway we are really going in circles. The reason I'm trying to set the record straight is because things like your Parx results and claims are misleading and harmful to people. Even after the Parx math was explained, you are still using it to back your claims.  It's not like other people don't spread inaccurate information too. But you are one of the more followed members.

This is the most relevant comment in this discussion. Years of repeated reference to Parx result is motive driven. You can bet this will NEVER stop.

[maestro]

Hey Steve, go ahead with this discussion. Like I said before, I don't know why you still care about these turbo arguments.

I won't be part of this. I'm out!

good one..now go lose some more

[Andre Chass]

good one..now go lose some more

Betting on sectors
Profit 17.800
Loss 2.400

Swallow it!

[Andre Chass]

good one..now go lose some more

Your signature:
<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

You are the one

[maestro]

Betting on sectors
Profit 17.800
Loss 2.400

so since you have lost you are no longer lucky just whats left is bustard i guess..

[ozon]

A question for more experienced players.
Let's say we will play in a waiting game with hot numbers.
We know that the probability of the 3rd hit in 37 spins  I think is over 98%.
So we are waiting for this 30 spin without 3 rd hit, and play all numbers with 2 hits.
My question is what progressions we will use for this?
Positive or negative?
Do you try to get a negative 1-2-4-8-16 progression, when there is no hit in the last 7 spins, we increase the rate at the next session.
Do you combine something positive progression, say 1-5-25
we raise the rate after hit only when we are not on newest high.

There are many solutions, I am looking for the best, maybe you can advise me something.

[aofa]

I new member.


thx

[ego]

I will show you a simple way to know if you have better then 50/50 situation - hot or cold

12 numbers that hit within 2 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strikes ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
6 number that hit within 4 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
4 numbers that hit within 6 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
3 numbers that hit within 8 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
2 numbers that hit within 12 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
1 number that hit within 25 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot number and if you get less you have cold number

You can check the math using binomial probability calculation.

CHeers

[Blood Angel]

I will show you a simple way to know if you have better then 50/50 situation - hot or cold

12 numbers that hit within 2 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strikes ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
6 number that hit within 4 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
4 numbers that hit within 6 attempts has 50% probability - if you get a higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
3 numbers that hit within 8 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
2 numbers that hit within 12 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot numbers and if you get less you have cold numbers
1 number that hit within 25 attempts has 50% probability - if you get higher strike ratio you have hot number and if you get less you have cold number

You can check the math using binomial probability calculation.

CHeers

Thank you for these stats.