define, hot number, once and for all

[Joe]

Pretty useless.

Hi Turner, I agree there's not much point in looking back over 500 spins, but it's unlikely you would be playing 500 spins per session, and if you are you could reset the numbering to start from as many spins back as you like. I know the probability is still 1/37 according to the maths, but I want to do some tests to find out whether there's any statistical difference at all when betting hot or cold numbers, and this rating system seems pretty good to me.  So if there is potentially any difference between betting on say the 5 hottest and coldest numbers this rating method should show it. What do you think?

Comments from Turbo welcome. ;-)

[Turner]

Theres no point looking at past spins that are already out when you arrive at the table
I think its better to build your game from your own numbers you are playing...moving forward.
Anything the casino tells you about ...like hottest this and coldest that cant be of any use because they wouldnt be telling you if it was

[nottophammer]

Turner
Not true, ask Winkel (GUT)

[Turner]

Turner
Not true, ask Winkel (GUT)

Its just my opinion...I feel its true.

[The General]

If you're playing on an RNG...

There are no hot numbers.
There are no cold numbers.
There are no sections on the wheel.
There is just the RNG.

Common sense should tell you to somehow attack the function of the RNG and it's seed.
Give up the trot.

[Joe]

Hi General, there are a lot of arguments about hot numbers and repeaters. Turbo thinks it's obvious that betting on them is the key to consistent winning, whereas you think it's a waste of time. There are groups in both camps each giving their arguments, but I haven't seen anyone showing data which proves or refutes one side or the other. The arguments get boring so I want to try to show using actual data whether there is any merit in betting hot numbers. Using maths, not just verbal arguments.

There are lots of ways of picking hot numbers, but I think the way I've shown is as good as any for testing purposes. However, if you have any better ideas, please suggest them. If there is any merit at all in betting hot numbers or repeaters as opposed to betting on cold numbers, then the variance of the gaps between hits ought to be smaller when betting hot numbers, so a Chi-square test of variance should be significant.

It's just a bit of fun, that's all. I already know what the maths says. 

[TurboGenius]

Theres no point looking at past spins that are already out when you arrive at the table
I think its better to build your game from your own numbers you are playing...moving forward.
Anything the casino tells you about ...like hottest this and coldest that cant be of any use because they wouldnt be telling you if it was

excellent post.
The hot and cold stats are freely posted for a reason, anyone using past spun hot numbers for future spins is being foolish.

[cht]

I recently asked the pit boss how many numbers were looked at on the display which tells you the latest hot numbers.

He told me it was over the last 500 spins.

Pretty useless.

If you use this hot cold numbers to assume that it will repeat itself or reverse for future spins, then it is gamblers fallacy.

If you use this historical data to plot the frequency distribution, then use math model to exploit it, then it is useful.

Such math based rc program is not allowed and illegal to use in casinos.

Same for cold. Slightly more useful if you like that kinda thing

If you fiddle with the program you see "settings". This is where the hot cold numbers history is set. It is not necessary 500. If you look at the big screen this 500numbers setting is shown for each machine. Ofc this part of the setting is accessible to the floor manager or VP gaming. The pitboss has no access to this setting. Most of the time the machine comes factory set. These machines are mostly on lease.

[cht]

Hi General, there are a lot of arguments about hot numbers and repeaters. Turbo thinks it's obvious that betting on them is the key to consistent winning, whereas you think it's a waste of time. There are groups in both camps each giving their arguments, but I haven't seen anyone showing data which proves or refutes one side or the other. The arguments get boring so I want to try to show using actual data whether there is any merit in betting hot numbers. Using maths, not just verbal arguments.

There are lots of ways of picking hot numbers, but I think the way I've shown is as good as any for testing purposes. However, if you have any better ideas, please suggest them. If there is any merit at all in betting hot numbers or repeaters as opposed to betting on cold numbers, then the variance of the gaps between hits ought to be smaller when betting hot numbers, so a Chi-square test of variance should be significant.

It's just a bit of fun, that's all. I already know what the maths says. 

Read this post. Don't you think there is a disconnect with your assumption ?

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19732.msg203369#msg203369

If ever these forum boards are going to move forward, it starts with acknowledging this disconnect.

[Joe]

Theres no point looking at past spins that are already out when you arrive at the table
I think its better to build your game from your own numbers you are playing...moving forward.

Maybe, but my "system" doesn't rely on using past spins which already out there. You can just add the numbers with the highest scores starting from spin 1.

Anything the casino tells you about ...like hottest this and coldest that cant be of any use because they wouldnt be telling you if it was

There is that, but the more basic argument is that spins are independent.  I still don't see why past spins in the current session are ok but it's not ok to use spins before the current session. They are still past spins either way and making a distinction between spins in the current session and spins previous to it seems arbitrary. If I go to the casino and see Turbo playing, I could copy his bets as soon as I arrive, without waiting for any spins. If I do that aren't I effectively using spins prior to my session? Nevertheless it should still "work" assuming that Turbo's system works.

[Scarface]

Hot numbers, for me, only deal with the time I've been playing.  I don't really care what the marquee shows as hot/cold.  There will be a couple of hot numbers that are fairly easy to recognize during gameplay.  At some point, they will change, but I will change with it.

[Turner]

If you fiddle with the program you see "settings".

I think we have crossed wires.

I was referring to my local real casino and a real pit boss. The casino marque HOT/COLD numbers display.

Grosvenor, Casino Manchester UK

[cht]

I think we have crossed wires.

I was referring to my local real casino and a real pit boss. The casino marque HOT/COLD numbers display.

Grosvenor, Casino Manchester UK

I was referring to a real b&m casino and a "real pitboss".

Casinos in Singapore and Macau.

The "real pitboss" whom you refer to holds the official title of Assistant Floor Manger.

The real bosses of the gambling floor are the Floor Manager, General Manager-Casino, and Vice-President Gaming.

I am pointing out the casino personnel authorised to change that history settings of 500 spins are those guys at that level. Or at least approval is obtained from guys at that level. Not that "real pitboss" you see and talk to on the floor.

I also pointed out that, in most cases, that history is factory set given those machines are on lease. It could be 50 or 200 or 500 or whatever as set by the manufacturer. The "real pitboss" won't take it upon himself to change the setting.

Also if you take a closer look at the main big screen, you will find that setting of 500spins shown usually at the bottom of the screen.

[ZERO]

Good job Turner, thanks for getting rid of the spammer, I was actually starting to consider becoming a Canadian Citizen! 

[Nimo]

Good job Turner, thanks for getting rid of the spammer, I was actually starting to consider becoming a Canadian Citizen! 

Hey there are worse things than being one of us! Eh!