My opinion on what qualifies as the holy grail.

[Tagu1]

Figure out a system that can survive being abused. I mean waking up at 9am and it still be winning by 5pm. Then only play a few spins a day for real picking out the safest and most perfect conditions BETTING HIGH and walking away. Why spin 10 times making 70 units when you can bet high spinning just once making the same profit? Of course your system needs to be good enough to win just one spin a day right?

What makes a winning system is the person playing it, the knowledge they have not only in roulette but gambling in general. I spoke to someone who played something like 25 spins in a row covering the board except for 7 numbers. He was wagering 360 units a time I believe he made over 2 grand. I told him he has BALLS to do that. His reply ''A good gambler knows how to notice winning and losing streaks and how to bet accordingly to those conditions''

It's not the system that makes it the holy grail its the person playing it, I'm sure there are people out there who can make the simplest systems the holy grail. If you gave a great system to a degenerate gambler without much knowledge of the wheel i'm sure he would lose all his bankroll in a week. Think about it. 

[ozon]

Person does not count.
Only the edge counts.
If your system has no real advantage over casino, nothing will change that.
Series of losing and winning bets, do not prove nothing.
How even a most disciplin player could make money with a losing  system in long run.

[Roulettebeater]

Person does not count.
Only the edge counts.
If your system has no real advantage over casino, nothing will change that.
Series of losing and winning bets, do not prove nothing.
How even a most disciplin player could make money with a losing  system in long run.

Good point, Ozon !
Can you give an example how to measure the player edge in a particular system ?

[Andre Chass]

You're wrong! Use the statistic is an advantage, large bankroll is advantage, wait for the perfect condition is advantage.

I play a single bet a day and I'm making 300,00.  Hit and run playing. More than 10k already.

I have my own holy Grail

[ozon]

This is difficult .
It depends on how big the edge is.
If it is big then you see it on the charts after a few 10k spins even much less if nothing changes and all graphs look the same.
But if there is a minimum, such as cauting cards in blackjack, you have to make long simulations to see the results, since drowdawn can be wery deep even 400 units plaing flat with stake 1 unit per bet.


Haha hit n run  change  nothing , 10k only   spins  and  waiting game for  me  is  dont  prove anithing  for  now.
I  wish You  luck , play You  bet  for 3  years , will see.

[Andre Chass]

Ok boss, you owned the truth.
Go ahead with your system an make millions.

[ozon]

I'm not the boss
I do not have the truth.
I am involved in active gambling for over 10 years.
What I understand by gambling, is casino play, trading on sports exchange and forex.
And believe me casinos play is the hardest, because the edge is very heavy to obtain.
I play long run and do not believe that something short run can work.
Show me prove that You will strategically work for years of plaing
I  dont want spend  years of  try  not  prowen  strategy , to  see im on zero or  even  minus.

[Roulettebeater]

Someday I have asked a question here in forum, if we can form a syndicate to beat the house's beloved game (the devil game).. I have a system that wins but it need high bankroll, the thing that I don't have for now

I have a system that does win flatbet, but profit is low...it never miss more than 4 misses in a row (4 misses occur mostly during dealer switch)

[ozon]

Unfortunately, creating such a syndicate is very difficult, people with money are very skeptical to get involved in such an interest.
You need to get professional players, with experience and discipline and this is a very big problem
The best way is to earn yourself in normal job, even if it takes a long time.
If you got the edge, you make very good money.

[Moxy]

Quite easy actually.  But it makes zero sense.  Dissipating the worth of individuals with tangible assets (actual wealth, HG) with other people with no discernible value to offer is ludicrous.  Common sense.  The wishful thinking on here can be quite odd.

[ozon]

To create such a syndicate is not a problem, but I speak about his good actions and this is a completely different story.

[cht]

If your system use progression, forget it. Only flatbet. Only b&m casino.

If your system runs into deep drawdown of 100+ chips or multiple cycles, don't qualify. What is your system drawdown% ?

What is your per session bankroll in x chips ? What is the total bankroll in x chips ?

How many spins per session ? How many sessions per day ?

Is your system suitable to play at manual tables ?

Is this a 1man operation or require a team of players ?

Are you willing to provide proof of your system's edge ?

[Moxy]

If your system use progression, forget it. Only flatbet. Only b&m casino.

If your system runs into deep drawdown of 100+ chips or multiple cycles, don't qualify. What is your system drawdown% ?

What is your per session bankroll in x chips ? What is the total bankroll in x chips ?

How many spins per session ? How many sessions per day ?

Is your system suitable to play at manual tables ?

Is this a 1man operation or require a team of players ?

Are you willing to provide proof of your system's edge ?

And to what end, is the question?   Proverbially, who are you to me?  Are you a wealthy investor?  Again, what sense does it make to commence commerce upon folks who bring little of value to the table.

[cht]

I'm not the boss
I do not have the truth.
I am involved in active gambling for over 10 years.
What I understand by gambling, is casino play, trading on sports exchange and forex.
And believe me casinos play is the hardest, because the edge is very heavy to obtain.
I play long run and do not believe that something short run can work.
Show me prove that You will strategically work for years of plaing
I  dont want spend  years of  try  not  prowen  strategy , to  see im on zero or  even  minus.

Forex is best that's to make serious money - you got to learn to read the market,
sportbet is 2nd - full of fun if you enjoy calculating odds(see pic),
casino games is hardest.

sportbet and casino games is fun and recreational activity.

[ozon]

Forex is the best and has the biggest potential.
Many people lose money because they treat it as an investment, not a gambling activity, and enter the market with too much capital and too little knowledge.