Repeats Prog Method

[nottophammer]

well heres 1st 12 unique
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[nottophammer]

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[Andre Chass]

well heres 1st 12 unique
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Nottophammer,

First of all thanks for helping us and posting the thread.
I see you've had experience with it before me.
At the moment I'm very tired and hangover to read the whole thread. I'll read it tomorrow.

Before I fall asleep could you tell me whether the method is a winner or not?

Good night!

[Andre Chass]

@ignatus

I know you like to have fun developing systems and doing tests. You have a lot of experience. Could you do some testing using this method and post the results here? I'll appreciate it.

[foreverBOB]

Andre will have to add each unhit nr from the moment it reaches 12 unhits from the start.
Betting 12 nrs, next loss he will have to bet 13 nrs and so on untill hit.
Notto will have a fixed 12 nr set, instead.
EWARWOOWAR is right about Andre playing the FIRST 12 to come out and Notto the LAST 12.
Both strategies are different: Andre will risk more units than Notto.

[Andre Chass]

Andre will have to add each unhit nr from the moment it reaches 12 unhits from the start.
Betting 12 nrs, next loss he will have to bet 13 nrs and so on untill hit.
Notto will have a fixed 12 nr set, instead.
EWARWOOWAR is right about Andre playing the FIRST 12 to come out and Notto the LAST 12.
Both strategies are different: Andre will risk more units than Notto.

Yesterday before I went to bed I was thinking the same.

I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.

Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...

I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.

I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.

Using this progression and adding a number in each step, the method is almost invecible.

[cht]

Yesterday before I went to bed I was thinking the same.

I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.

Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...

I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.

I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.

Using this progression and adding a number in each step, the method is almost invecible.

Hey Andre, I can't tell you when and which 12 to play/start.

The spins are happening on a rolling basis. This means that your 12numbers depends on when you start. I made this excel sheet for you, hit the F9 key, perhaps you play around with it you might get idea when and which to start and give you a better visual of what your and notto bet is all about. Good luck.

[cht]

*Ignore the 1st copy that has a small error.

[Andre Chass]

Hey Andre, I can't tell you when and which 12 to play/start.

The spins are happening on a rolling basis. This means that your 12numbers depends on when you start. I made this excel sheet for you, hit the F9 key, perhaps you play around with it you might get idea when and which to start and give you a better visual of what your and notto bet is all about. Good luck.

Hey CHT

I will take it a look when I get home!

Thanks for your help!

Can 20 unique numbers hit in a row? Yes, in roulette everything can happen, but it's a very rare event.

[Blood Angel]

Hey CHT

I will take it a look when I get home!

Thanks for your help!

Can 20 unique numbers hit in a row? Yes, in roulette everything can happen, but it's a very rare event.

Not as rare as you may think. I have seen max of 26 in a row.

[Andre Chass]

Not as rare as you may think. I have seen max of 26 in a row.

It's a very rare event.

But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.

[cht]

It's a very rare event.

But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.

Winning more than it lose means the method has positive expectancy.

All pattern based systems no matter how creatively fancy they are or how rare they are that you find proposed and discussed on forums, they all have negative expectancy due to HE given by the unfair payout rate. As long as the pockets remain 36 plus 1or 2 zeroes with the unfair payout it's always certainly a negative expectancy game.

If you read about how some forumer wins big or for a long time based on whatever superstitious play method of waiting or trigger or short run or whatever it means the forumer wins based on pure luck, nothing more to it.

There will always be winners - both big winners and long time continuous winners even in a negative expectancy game - that's the reality.

Shall I say "may the luck be with you."

[cht]

There are only 2 ways to declare a method has positive expectancy -

1. Specific quantifiable cause and effect backed by empirical evidence

2. Experiential data evidence based on sufficiently large sample size, the cause may not yet be known

Even if a method or system has positive expectancy, the edge must be large enough to be commercially viable. This means the return on equity has to be at a rate that it's worth your time from the practical pov.

Another aspect of importance is the expected max drawdown inherent in positive expectancy methods that essentially defines the risk exposure of the method where risk of ruin spells the death knell. The kurtosis of random distribution is mostly unknown and the best estimate is based on large sample testing. However, we will never know if and when the Aswan dam will ever be breached.

[Proofreaders2000]

Played it twice with fun money @ Celtic Casino. 

There is a lot of writing required with this system so
it may be difficult to play in an brick and mortar setting.
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Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:36pm CST USA

*played with $1 units

...21,13,23,33,11,28,20,27,6,17,22,23,
27,21,35,5,15,19 (newest spin-value)

Uniques: 13,33,11,28,20,6,17,22,35,5,15,19

Bet last 12 uniques:    1.) 19 (win)+24
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Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Tuesday, January 2,2018 @ 11:42pm CST USA

7,7,36,19,17,29,34,27,16,16,14,31,16,31,
11,7,11,24,10,36,9,20,28 (newest spin-value)

Uniques: 19,17,29,34,27,14,24,10,9,20,28

*I thought I had 12 uniques but I counted #16 by mistake

Bet last 11 uniques & #16:    1.) 32(x)-12*new unique added

Bet last 12 uniques & #16:    2.) 36(x)-13*progression is now 2x

Bet last 12 uniques & #16:    3.) 34(win)+46
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[Blood Angel]

It's a very rare event.

But a winning method is not one that always wins. A winning method wins more than it lose.

Ok...good luck!