What works and what doesnt??

[cht]

Madi, this is a good thread with potential to learn about casino gambling IF that's your purpose with forums.

MOST forumers are not on forums to learn. BIG NO, they are not here to learn although they may claim otherwise. That's weird but the truth, I learn that after being active on this gambling forum for 7months.

For the very, very, very few of you who are truly passionate about gambling, who wants to learn real stuff to improve your betting, you have to ignore the mob cheerleaders, gurus and overzealous noobs who post obvious irrational and excessive claims about how good a system, method is. BIG PLUS that they will shoot anybody who tell them otherwise.

MOST of the methods and systems on forums don't work, period. I hate to use the word ALL but if truth be told it's ALL, take it which way you want.

The best you can do for yourself is to extract bits of ideas about patterns how to approach the game, that's all.

To all who have posted on forums, thank you for the bits of pattern ideas that don't work nonetheless.....cht

Now, all that I've written above happened since the time of twocatscam, warrior, nathan detroit, ausguy....... when they were actively posting. Nothing has changed since. Ausguy is still reading, not posting though.

I can bet and I will win the bet that this thread will draw minimal to zero interest when this thread has the best potential for honest, open discussion among fellow punters to share and discuss their playing experience about what works and what doesn't work to stop the time wasted and further our individual progress with this casino game at a faster rate if this effort is pooled.

Experience is always a factor. A 1 yr and 10 yr experienced person is not the same. There will be always human intelligence as factor.
There're plenty of dolts who post dumbfark comments. Beware and be aware.

I have played casino games well before steve(admin) made his 1st bet measured in years. I gambled with the aim to get a merc, instead I lost a merc. How about that for experience.

[cht]

Here's my share of feedback, my pov from decades of real money losing experience if anyone out there is interested -

Plz dont bring the theory as we already know it cant be beaten

I mostly hold the same believe that casino games can't be beaten. BUT as in today, my position has shifted that casino games might be beaten. 100% can't be beaten to 50% might be beaten because of the introduction of technology that can only keep growing. The punters weapon is the computer programs in mobile.

First of all i am gonna add

NEGATIVE PROGRESSION:

I never see a negative progression holds up. In any form for any system its a time bomb and will bust anytime. If anyone thinks different plz come up with practicle evidence so that it can help.

Aside from steve's usual post about progression, I can explain in detail what progression means to bet sizing BUT that will take a thread specially to do that. PLUS nobody is interested, those who gamble with progression will continue to do so no matter.

RNG:
I personally got good exp playing with rng and airball. Casino rng are cheat master. I belive most of u agree.

PIAYING ONLINE:
I personally got zero exp in playing online either live or rng. I wouldnt comment. Some people say that they might cheat and there is scope while others get good exp. mixed reaction.

I'm a total noob with online casino. Not qualified to comment about online gambling EXCEPT to take the side of prudence always.

About rng, a solid method can work with rng just as well with live dealers.

TRIGGER

Never find this work longterm. Leave this while designing ur system

DUE

What is due in roulette. ?? Leave that

Opposite of that is to bet from the 1st spin at the table, I can't imagine that.

If you were to look for rain, prof Higgins told us -
"The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."

OUTSIDE BET:
People tried for years of EC and dozen bet without any significant success. Better working on single number. In every spin one single number appears and u r paying compensation if u place money on other bet types.

It doesn't matter EC, doz, splits........singles, the most important is the basis why the method can have a chance to work. There's is zero basis for almost ALL methods posted on forums and therein lies the problem.

Software or predicting device:

Personally dont believe. Ye there might be a way if u can get the device to the wheel and measuring ball speed and other things but u r risking urself to the casino. Predictor or software used for online  doesnt make any sense to me. Best way is use pen and paper.

If the computer measures the wheel and ball variables, there are dicey complications as we all already know. Whether they actually work is another matter. Believe what you will. Just not me.

I have advocated the use of FX style technical analysis on results. I'm not sure if anybody has done serious work in this direction. It's one of 2 ways that might work - Read my posts to find the 2nd approach.

The barriers are that you must be competent in fx TA trading PLUS you must be competent enough with writing codes both on MT4 and excel for the purpose to convert the MT4 tools to excel. It's not difficult for someone to reproduce what's on MT4 onto excel. The visual will shock you !

IMHO, this is the best method to win at casino gambling. It's the way of the future, mark my words.

Rare patern:

Hahaha. I have successfully failed a 10 ec blueprint and bet against or a bit complex matrix. I might be attacked by other member for saying this but it doesnt work. Dont play at home , go to casino and play, when u lose u realize or the money is urs.

Like I said earlier, thanks for the patterns that don't work.

For the rest of the BS, stays BS period. Waste of time.

PLUS this won't change a thing, the BS will continue to be posted abundantly. 

[Madi]

Cht

I appreciate that u participate here. Ur experience and knowledge will help others to save lots of years. I have wasted years after things which doesnt work. Once we find out what doesnt work its easy to workout where to focus. In which area to work. People wont listen or argue thats usual. I might not be always right. What i want is to establish a guideline approved by the experienced members or discussion so that the other new people knows where to work straightway rather than wasting years here and there.

[sentinel3]

Cht

I appreciate that u participate here. Ur experience and knowledge will help others to save lots of years. I have wasted years after things which doesnt work. Once we find out what doesnt work its easy to workout where to focus. In which area to work. People wont listen or argue thats usual. I might not be always right. What i want is to establish a guideline approved by the experienced members or discussion so that the other new people knows where to work straightway rather than wasting years here and there.

No mechanical system beats roulette. But a decent system together with iron discipline and solid money management can beat the game long term.

Seek out the book by Brett Morton. Called Playing to Win. Read it and you will then understand. The game can be beaten longterm. But very few have the head to do it. That book changed my life and fortunes with the game of roulette.

Variance can find any pattern. Outlast any bankroll with the house limits and the house edge by its side. But it has a lot of trouble defeating the player. Who can win 4 out of 5 visits to the casino. Who knows when to quit. And knows how to manage their money.

Forums spend an eternity looking for a system that never loses. Theres no such thing. But there are systems that win enough. That make it possible to build strong strong fighting funds. That cannot then be wiped out ever.

That there is. Theres a few of them scattered around this forum. But as Brett Morton said in his great book. The enemy in the casino is always you the player. And your lack of self control. You unwillingness or ability to stick to the plan. And supress the twins of doom GREED AND IMPATIENCE...

[Madi]

Forums spend an eternity looking for a system that never loses. Theres no such thing. But there are systems that win enough.

Forum looking for system that win more than it lose in long term. Not never lose . There is nothing called decent or good system. Either its a grail or its nothing . No one looking for a system which earn $100 then give back $98 and leave the casino with $2 and say its good system.
A grail is such a system where the more u play the more u earn. U can start from next spin any casino anywhere in the world.

[Madi]

A grail can be calculated with per spin earning. After 50 spin earning $1 doesnt worth of the time.

[Proofreaders2000]

Something needs to be said about the dealers.  You want a
dealer imo that will spin consistently the exact same way. 

Watch dealer changes-they may spin the rotor too fast or spin
the ball where it makes 15+ revolutions before it decelerates.

Also Bankroll: Most systems are underfunded. 

This is a high-roller hobby so if you're betting half-the wheel
or more make sure as Madi said the return is worth your time.

[sentinel3]

A grail can be calculated with per spin earning. After 50 spin earning $1 doesnt worth of the time.

I dont agree. If I told you you would win over 100 times to every time you lost a progression of 31 units. But you might have to wait 100 to 200 spins to get your trigger.

You have a grail of patience. But where is your patience? Casinos beat most people because they have no patience.

Greed and impatience kill all dreams of beating this game longterm for nearly all. The few who have the right qualities quietely take their profits. They go unoticed. But still make some nice money on the down low.

[Madi]

100 to 200 spin as trigger. ‘Trigger’ whats that? Seems something is due after that. Anyway i will leave this trigger things with you.

Simply i can say
My transport cost min $10 for a return trip. 1 minute  per spin roulette may take half of my day to earn $10. 100 spin trigger will take full day

[nottophammer]

DUE

What is due in roulette. ?? Leave that

Due, good one. When you start to play theres 37#'s to come (non-hit numbers) theres your starting point. Read law of the third and of course GUT

[nottophammer]

And don't let the likes of Mr J and his best mate the general put you off, cough

[Madi]

Why only 37 numbers come?
Red black to come
Even odd to come
Dozons to come
Etc etc

[Madi]

Actually not 37 number to come. Some will sleep at home

[cht]

I dont agree. If I told you you would win over 100 times to every time you lost a progression of 31 units. But you might have to wait 100 to 200 spins to get your trigger.

You have a grail of patience. But where is your patience? Casinos beat most people because they have no patience.

Greed and impatience kill all dreams of beating this game longterm for nearly all. The few who have the right qualities quietely take their profits. They go unoticed. But still make some nice money on the down low.

I agree with madi about the important points of what's a grail = net winning method ++ plus net win that's worth our time.

HOLY GRAIL = VIABLE WINNING METHOD
(not never lose method)

I disagree that there is any method on any forum that qualifies under the winning criteria described above PLUS the risk exposure can be quantified that's proven from historical evidence that the max drawdown RFH is within tolerable limits.

Prove me wrong.

If sentinel's brief description about his method he refers to fulfils the above conditions then yes he has a winning method.

I disagree that greed and and patience is a factor to determine the outcome of the method. The method wins or lose irrespective of the gamblers attitude or psychology.

Neither does money management change the expectancy of the method. Strangely there are many who claim otherwise.

I believe that gamblers are very very patient people who can go without food or sleep to continue to gamble in the hope to make money. What these gamblers lack is a winning method.

If given a viable winning method, ANY gambler in a casino can EASILY be religiously disciplined to stick to the requirements of the rules of the method to rake in the chips.

People will offer a lot for a viable winning method aka holy grail, even to the extent of steal and kill. And we expect to find it posted on forums ?

[nottophammer]

Why only 37 numbers come?

But the starting 37 will all hit over X spins, the Xspins is the part to be learnt, you use to talk of GUT which is all about the starting 37 un-hit numbers.
If you look at Andre he's now looking at the last 12 unique of the starting 37 numbers, i've post 697 airball games, whether he'd make money off those 697 games with his now 6 step prog, who knows.

Red & black is different to the starting 37 single un-hit numbers, but i guess i'll leave it a lone now