@ steve

[Madi]

e from: Andre Chass on Yesterday at 05:50 PM
Ok, the premise is that we dont need to and we will not win every cycle

This in the only smart thing you ever posted here!

[Madi]

Thats reason i got from there and what he said is very true. Any other reason?

[Steve]

1. Again we dont see everything. But from what I saw, you and Denzie were busting Andre's balls. I mean you can disagree with someone or think they're full of shit, and that's your opinion. But there's a limit to how much ball busting you can do. At some point you just need to leave them be.

2. Andre had enough and flipped out. He was banned temporarily and posts removed. He knew his mistake and apologized, and everything was peachy again. I contacted him privately and explained he needed to chill, and that simply if anyone was giving him and undue hard time to just report it, then I'll politely ask any offending member to relax a bit too. And that's why I asked Denzie to ease off Andre's balls.

3. From what I saw, Colbster over-moderated and I've explained to use moderation only sparingly. He hasnt responded yet.

Basically my aim is to allow free speech, but not tolerating trolling or ball-busting. So we have an open place where you can say anything you want without being moderated, provided it isnt plain making a nuisance of yourself to any particular member. A moderator's job is just to protect the balance. Its not to rule over people.

[Madi]

You need rewrite the job description of moderator. There will be no balance betwn good and bad. Only good will survive with the eradication of bad.

Also u need to think about plagiarism and exposure. The difference betwn trolling and real critisizm.

Denzie was 100% right in his comment.trying to block him is a real obstruction of free speech which u r doing.

A well exp player has full right to criticize everytime in any thread when bullshit try to spread without any obstruction. If anyones ball is bursting for the right saying let it be even if u cant digest step down

[Steve]

You need rewrite the job description of moderator. There will be no balance betwn good and bad. Only good will survive with the eradication of bad.

Actually I think we have a good balance as it is.

Also u need to think about plagiarism and exposure.

You dont know Andre has copied the system from elsewhere. You know just about every system has already been tried by countless other people. And its no big deal if he got his idea from vls anyway. At the same time, he shouldnt have gotten so riled up. You were just on his case and he flipped. But again he apologized anyway. There are always lots of "should haves", and right now it's lets not waste time on this.

The difference between trolling and real criticism.

I understand the difference well. When it gets personal, there's a snide undertone. But you know we all do it to some degree. Its not a big deal. There should just be a limit.

Denzie was 100% right in his comment.trying to block him is a real obstruction of free speech which u r doing.

No, in my view he was busting balls. It was beyond fair criticism, but only by a little. This is not some huge infringement that shakes the earth. We should just move on.

A well exp player has full right to criticize everytime in any thread when bullshit try to spread without any obstruction. If anyones ball is bursting for the right saying let it be even if u cant digest step down

Calling someone a "dumbass" as he did is making it personal. If that was his view, saying "you've got no clue" would be a better fit.

Anyway like I said, I'm just trying to keep the balance. We dont need to waste time going in circles. Let's move on.

[Madi]

“Dumbass” actually it is allowed as u said. U shouldnt argue with that.

I need every moderated line back in my thread with a reason why it is moderated.

And blindly copy anyones comment from another thread is also plagiarism. U shouldnt forget.

[Madi]

But again he apologized anyway.


Where and  to whom?

[Steve]

“Dumbass” actually it is allowed as u said. U shouldnt argue with that.

Now it looks like you are being difficult. I dont have time for it. If you call names in a personal way, its not ok. Joking is ok.

I need every moderated line back in my thread with a reason why it is moderated.

No you just need to read the rules and use common sense and etiquette.

And blindly copy anyones comment from another thread is also plagiarism. U shouldnt forget.

I had no report of such a thing.

Madi if you have a legitimate complaint, I will address it. But please dont waste time on petty issues. Really I dont have the spare time.

[Madi]

I dont need to complain. I have criticized as he has done it. What was the reason to lock and moderate some post there. Very legitimate question? Everything was there in purpose and on context.i believe ur mod has some spare time to read full thread and he deleted some. That was not deleted without any reading. When u moderate something u need to have answer.

Why this rare event like locking the thread happened to me?

[Madi]

Which rules did u actually apply on me? I am not sure.

andre  apologize to whom? To u? Why? R u the boss? Or u r abused?

He straightly  call two people fuck u and suck my ass. Where is the action?

His thread full of copy paste. Was that locked?

[Steve]

You will have to ask Colbster. I've already said I see no reason for it.

Andre apologized in general for his over-reaction. The action was temporary banning and the post was deleted.

What's wrong with copy and paste, provided it is in context / relevant? You havent explained what you considered bad about it.

[Madi]

What i considered bad  is RB and andre was teaching about  piracy while i ask cht ( if cht want)he can open a thread with a variation of  andres idea( actually it was stolen and bit midified).

Well they can talk about piracy while they are doing same( i have pasted the blindly copied comment from vls)

[Madi]

Definitely there was a complain to my thread to mod and he did some scissor work. I want to know what was the complain about? And based on what rule he moderated some of the comment?

[Steve]

Everyone is allowed to cut and paste from VLS. There is also no rule prohibiting anyone from ripping off another person's work provided it isnt copyrighted material. Although it is simply ethical to give credit where its due. I don't know if Andre ripped anything off but that's not something I need to deal with. If you think thats what happened, then you can of course say it, bit not constantly hassle the person.

Andre's complaint was that people were getting on his case and following him. You can have your say, but there's a point where you leave it be. Everyone on the forum gets the same treatment to ensure a open but civil forum.

Again I didnt moderate anything. The logs show the only person that did was Colbster. So I cant tell you his reasoning for decision.

Again this is going in circles and wasting time. There's nothing left to argue.

[Madi]

There is left actually. U need to show me where u find some constant hassle from me. I have right to critisize of any system  in my thread that u called free speech. Plz come to that thread and write in red line where there was fault. Untill u restore these it means that u were right and i need to know where i have done wrong?