@ steve

[Steve]

Turbo i read everything you wrote. And you still don't understand the parx math.

Short term play results is mostly indistinguishable between parx online and real casino. The effect of any edge is pronounced over longer term.

The part  you arent understanding is if you're given free money, your winnings are inevitably greater.

If you get say $100k in free money, that's a huge advantage over others.

Really its not my opinion. Its just the math. Yes we're going in circles.

[cht]

The idea to validate system play with results will always draw negative objections and rightly so -

1. Fake video,

2. Demo - not real,

3. Short term result.

Downside for the person posting validation videos are -

1. Never ever able to validate the system play without some form of credibility objection,

2. This will reveal your play which you have no intention to reveal,

3. You will attract accusations of baiting,

4. You might be accused of misleading the public.

[TurboGenius]

If you get say $100k in free money, that's a huge advantage over others.

Everyone gets the same amounts - other than of course whatever you win in the leaderboard challenge because you ranked higher than others.
Your argument is invalid.
It's like saying a guy with a 1k bankroll and a guy with a 10k bankroll go into the casino so the guy with the 10k bankroll has a better chance of winning. ? Really ?
I purposely lost the huge bankroll I had to prove that it doesn't matter what amount you have, you can still lose it by not playing something that works.
Some guy starting with 1k would now be ahead of me - or if he was using what I "preach" - he would probably be in first place and hence "invalid" as proof of anything in some people's  eyes..
You're point seems to be the "bonus" credits you get (everyone gets) for logging in daily or the leaderboard prizes - neither of which (as I've said until I'm blue) reflect on PROFIT which is all the leaderboard stats are based on.
This is why it's a total waste of time for me to use any means to prove my way of play works.
If I did what you think makes sense and go to the casino and win win win every day and amass a huge bankroll - you'll say "Well, you have a HUGE bankroll - you can't lose".
Or "Ha ! How many spins total did you play ? I played a year and didn't lose - until I did.. proves nothing".
If I post the math I give away my work (which is what I assume anti-system people want anyway) then we all know how wrong that is.
What else is there ?
A challenge ?? - (I read those rules lol). I provide the system and then it goes through (how many ) millions of spins so in the end I can "win" (give away my method for free) 100k or so ? I can make 10 times that and more if my goal were to win money.
That leaves me with helping other people on forums - then I'm called dishonest or misleading or baiting. I could just shut up. (laughs). I'm not selling anything - so no motive (oh wait - there's that "ego" thing I'm accused of from some people)...
Basically, I can't win can I.
I don't even post a lot about it - only if someone asks a question that I can answer, or if someone posts (coughs) "I used Turbo's system and it doesn't work". Because that is a lie - and I don't stand for that.

[Steve]

Maybe put it in a spreadsheet to see. Of course larger bankroll gives the player an advantage. Try winning millions with $100. Try with  $500,000. Its not hard to do proper testing on a game thats not rigged. You are still saying its no different to a real casino. Im not sure what else to say but I'm sorry you've made some mistakes

[TurboGenius]

Maybe put it in a spreadsheet to see. Of course larger bankroll gives the player an advantage. Try winning millions with $100. Try with  $500,000.

The only difference is that it takes longer to get to the goal - that doesn't make something win or not win. If I have a car that only goes 10mph and yours goes 120mph then you'll get there first. I'll get there over time. Parx took me around 3 months of daily play - not long though, about 1/2 hour to 1 hour per day. Of course if your car doesn't work you won't make it regardless and I'll pass you someday (even if it takes months).
But anyway, it's "agree to disagree" I suppose. I can't prove I'm right without completely exposing what I do (a spreadsheet would just be met with "faked" or some other trickery on my part). I'm obviously the one with something to prove - we all know basic math and the math has always been in the casino's favor (aside from a few ways, etc).
I'm fine with that - I'll just plug along and reply as needed.
I think it would be worse if I posted my live play results because it would be more baiting or taunting - or whatever the word would be for the day.
I don't see the day where I post pictures of money and receipts from cashing out like I've seen others do - there's no reason for that.

[sentinel3]

The only difference is that it takes longer to get to the goal - that doesn't make something win or not win. If I have a car that only goes 10mph and yours goes 120mph then you'll get there first. I'll get there over time. Parx took me around 3 months of daily play - not long though, about 1/2 hour to 1 hour per day. Of course if your car doesn't work you won't make it regardless and I'll pass you someday (even if it takes months).
But anyway, it's "agree to disagree" I suppose. I can't prove I'm right without completely exposing what I do (a spreadsheet would just be met with "faked" or some other trickery on my part). I'm obviously the one with something to prove - we all know basic math and the math has always been in the casino's favor (aside from a few ways, etc).
I'm fine with that - I'll just plug along and reply as needed.
I think it would be worse if I posted my live play results because it would be more baiting or taunting - or whatever the word would be for the day.
I don't see the day where I post pictures of money and receipts from cashing out like I've seen others do - there's no reason for that.

You love talking in riddles.
If you had the one. You wouldnt hesitate to write the concise rules on this or any forum.

If it stands up. A few will adopt it. No system will ever be adopted by all. No matter how good it looks. You dont have to play games. Because few ever take anything seriously anyhow.

There will always be an excuse why its not for them. The buy in will be beyond their pocket.

The wait for the trigger unrealistic in a walk in casino. Then if you have the one, then it would have been found years ago. Because you arent the smartest guy creating systems.

Thats just a few of the push it aside excuses that will run through the average brain.

So the question remains why cant you just talk straight. And present it PROPERLY???

[TurboGenius]

Because few ever take anything seriously anyhow.

Sure they do - log into my email.

Because you arent the smartest guy creating systems.

Wait, what ?  Of course I am.   

Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.

[Roulettebeater]

Sure they do - log into my email.

Wait, what ?  Of course I am.   

Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.

hey, you are really nerving us repeatedly with your supergenius work!
we have had enough lectures and empty words..
so plz stop bullying us!

[RayManZ]

Just start here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=6974;area=showposts;start=555

And work your way back to his latest post. Maybe you will find something usefull

[TurboGenius]

Let me fix that for you :

hey, you are really nerving ME repeatedly with your supergenius work!
I have had enough lectures and empty words..
so please stop bullying ME!

Get professional help - or be an adult when you talk. You don't speak for everyone reading a thread, so you can stop the "us" nonsense. If "YOU" don't like the topic - no one made you read it and surely no one forced you (bullied you ?? lol) into replying. Thanks. Have a great day.

[sentinel3]

Sure they do - log into my email.

Wait, what ?  Of course I am.   

Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.

Nothing that works 100% of the time has realistic triggers or an affordable buy in. Usually BOTH.

Thats why you wont reveal. Most people wouldnt even consider it. Hey bub I have a system that never loses. But youll have to risk 4 figures on a play. And wait hours for a bet.

Thats not going to even be an option for the majority. I know it. You know it. And thats why you dont show it.

No casino is going to lose sleep over a system with the above criteria. They know human behavior. Now if someone had the HG. With a sub three figure buy in. And less than two hours per game. Then you have something.

And I know for certain you dont tick the boxes on both those essential elements of large appeal.

So like I said before you could post up your HG. And the casino industry would be business as usual...

[TurboGenius]

Nothing that works 100% of the time has realistic triggers or an affordable buy in. Usually BOTH.
Thats why you wont reveal. Most people wouldnt even consider it. Hey bub I have a system that never loses. But youll have to risk 4 figures on a play. And wait hours for a bet.
Thats not going to even be an option for the majority. I know it. You know it. And thats why you dont show it.
No casino is going to lose sleep over a system with the above criteria.

Clearly you never read my posts.
I don't use or believe in "triggers" or qualifying - I play from spin #1 and stop when I choose to.
The bankroll required is small - what most would bring with them anyway, at least anyone serious who is playing to win.
There is no "waiting hours" and yes, the casino would certainly care if people started playing in such a way that they couldn't lose and the casino couldn't win.

[sentinel3]

Clearly you never read my posts.
I don't use or believe in "triggers" or qualifying - I play from spin #1 and stop when I choose to.
The bankroll required is small - what most would bring with them anyway, at least anyone serious who is playing to win.
There is no "waiting hours" and yes, the casino would certainly care if people started playing in such a way that they couldn't lose and the casino couldn't win.

Absolutely not. Again you dont know human nature. Not even 1 in a 100 would use your system. If you had it advertised 24/7. All over the media. Whatever you want to do.

The human being does not believe the game is beatable generally. Even though a few like you and I know it is. The difference is I beat the game with less than 10 units a play.

Can you say the same? You cannot even say what size bankroll would be required to opperate your system.

You are just playing games with people. Nobody wants mind games. The only way you are going to speak in riddle is if you want people to buy your system through email contact. Which is what most suspect on here anyhow.

[celescliff]

Which is what most suspect on here anyhow.

Who?

[maestro]

The difference is I beat the game with less than 10 units a play.

i do not get it....well i am a bit stupid....but turbo says he can do it and win ..thats fine..you say you can do it and win ....that is fine....so why you have to bang your heads and for the others if someone says can win and we cannot so too bad for us and good for winners..and that is fine too..