Brainstorming LOTT

[wiggy]

Here is something that caught my eye today. I was looking at some spins from Wiesbaden and it struck me how some different 9 number groups could be absent or very sparse over quite a few spins.

The 9 number groups I am talking about are.

RED/LOW = 1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18.
RED/HIGH = 19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36.
BLACK/LOW = 2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17.
BLACK/HIGH = 20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35.

Sure, it could be any 9 number groups.....but these are very easy to identify and track.

So in this example, there was a run of 48 numbers where the RED/HIGH numbers only appeared 3 times in the 48 spins and then hit in a flurry winning something like 4 of the next 6 spins.

I will write down the sequence of numbers from the 48 spins with an asterix to denote repeats.

1. 26
2. 1
3. 14
4. 17
5. 6
6. 14*
7. 5
8. 22
9. 16
10. 8
11. 28
12. 6*
13. 25
14. 5*
15. 6**
16. 26*
17. 31
18. 7
19. 2
20. 15
21. 33
22. 12
23. 20
24. 17*
25. 13
26. 3
27. 12*
28. 6***
29. 26**
30. 12**
31. 28*
32. 22*
33. 23
34. 6****
35. 0
36. 17**
37. 5**
38. 2*
39. 15*
40. 5***
41. 22**
42. 23
43. 28**
44. 2**
45. 24
46. 6*****
47. 15**
48. 33*

followed by....

25
0
25

At spin 28 out of those 48 numbers, only 1 RED/HIGH numbers had appeared. The 25 on spin 13. By my reckoning, the average should be about 7, so it's well short. My plan of attack was to look at all previous 28 numbers and bet all the numbers that had appeared twice or more with 1 unit. Those numbers were 14, 6, 5, 26, 17, 12. I also decided to raise the bet by 1 chip each time any one of those numbers hit again and of course add any new numbers to the list and bet which subsequently hit twice.

The result including the losses when the 25,0,25 hit on spins 49,50,51 to end the session was a profit of +126 units.
The peak was +211 a few spins earlier.

So I looked through a few different pages to see if this was just a rare event or happened enough so that it could present fairly regular betting opportunities. It appears to present itself a couple of times every few hundred spins if you are prepared to give or take a few spins either way in your calculations. You might only get 2 hits in 20 spins of a 9 number group and the session may end within 15 spins and not 20 etc...However all the ones I looked at would have ended with an ok profit. The idea stems from how we can capitalize on the repeats without it costing too much when you have 37 numbers in play and you just don't get that third hit. Sure there are still 37 pockets on the wheel when I would theoretically bet and the ball can land in anyone of them, however this is a more focussed attack looking to let variance help us.

Anyway, I hope I made things clear.  Cheers.

[Apolloo]

Did you notice that the BLACK/LOWS hit 17 times in them 48 spins. Whilst like you said the RED/HIGHS only hit 3 times, these are all on the right hand side of the wheel.

Maybe we could try something here.

Track 24 spins. Which ever has hit the most and least of the groups we bet on the hot ones from each group.

Group A
RED/HIGHS
BLACK/LOWS

Group b
RED/LOWS
BLACK/HIGHS.

im interested to see the first test so ill get back to you with a test playing like this.

Cheers wiggy

[Apolloo]

Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:25 - 10:35)

33 7 32 29 15 16 36 14 19 18 2 35 7 12 26 28 12 26 20 20 15 3 17 5

Group A
R/H=3
B/L=4.   <<

Group b
R/L=9.  <<
B/H=8

***Bet=  R/L + B/L

3W 16W 31 21 6W 17W 23 24 28 23 11W 13W 26 17W 17W 1W 2W 22 15W 1W 7W 19 25 14W

Win= +14
Loss= +10. 

Profit = +4u

[cht]

You have to know when and where to bet what bias based on dynamic frequency distribution to win. 

[Herby]

You have to know when and where to bet what bias based on dynamic frequency distribution to win. 

Hi cht,
until now you showed a lot of info which could be gathered. Thanks for that.

With the picture above you want to show which info is important,
or not all is important or
to find a frequency distribution which doesn't even out in longterm. (law of big numbers)

To start a programming - which points would you propose to find such a frequency distribution ?

[Roulettebeater]

Hi Steve, hi tuner

Please be kind and revoke the moderation.

I have some interesting idea and would like to discuss it with you.

Thank you

[Roulettebeater]

Hey tuner,

Tomorrow is my flight to vegas...

[Andre Chass]

Hi Steve, hi tuner

Please be kind and revoke the moderation.

I have some interesting idea and would like to discuss it with you.

Thank you

Mr Turner please remove the moderation of my friend RB

[Roulettebeater]

Mr Turner please remove the moderation of my friend RB

Thank you Andre !

You are honestly the only one real friend of mine here.

I appreciate your support and wish you all the luck and prosperity.


@tuner: thx and best wishes to you as well wherever you are now

[Andre Chass]

Thank you Andre !

You are honestly the only one real friend of mine here.

I appreciate your support and wish you all the luck and prosperity.


@tuner: thx and best wishes to you as well wherever you are now

Thanks, RB!

[Bigbroben]

So,
let's brainstorm about LOTT, ok.
Just tested something, basically betting on previous number, adding one after the other and adding one unit, so betting 1x1u, 2x2u, etc until 10x10, but not beyond: maximal profit is at 5x5 and 6x6; 10x10 shows a net loss of -25. See attached.

One expects a repeater to come on or before the 10th spin, according to maths and LOTT document by Winkel.

Just tried real quick and results are good!

I'll try for longer runs, different progressions and see how it goes.

So far so good....

Ok, this was promising, but fails more often than wished.  Discarded.  Tried different entry points, exit points, progressions...

Sure was brainstorming....

[Bigbroben]

Just a thought:
here is the net-profit graph if adding one unit every spin on a number.
Maximal profit is at spin 36 (35+1) and down to zero at 71 (35*2+1).

Same for streets, splits.  Seems max profits is always at payback ratio's spin (at 12 for streets, 17-18  for splits), and zero or breakeven at 2*ratio+1 ( split at spin 35 (17*2+1)).

Just so people know. And matter to think about.

[Bigbroben]

Another thought:
according to the chart here, the lines have different slopes with time.

When playing the method mentioned in anotherdiscussion ( with the green sheets, can't remember the name, was it Turbo?) would it not be right to go with the un-hit first ( steepest slope) up to say spin 24, then the repeaters from 24 to about 36, where the line is steeper than the  un-hit, then double-hitters from spin 37 and on?

[jekhb76]

Another thought:
according to the chart here, the lines have different slopes with time.

When playing the method mentioned in anotherdiscussion ( with the green sheets, can't remember the name, was it Turbo?) would it not be right to go with the un-hit first ( steepest slope) up to say spin 24, then the repeaters from 24 to about 36, where the line is steeper than the  un-hit, then double-hitters from spin 37 and on?

The Gentlemen you are refering to is Nottophammer.
Just a side Note....never bet on numbers that haven't showed. Just saying.

[Bigbroben]

Well,

On spins 1-24 it'll be mostly new numbers, and from 24 on, repeaters... so why not.  Some people bet on 35 numbers, hoping not to get repeaters...