Add-up test

[denzie]

We all like those uphill graphs. Looks good.

Personally i got no problem with a jigsaw graph. Coz i said it before...what goes up must come down and.....VICE VERSA ! (Let it sink in for a minute)

Greetings from Thailand 

[Bigbroben]

What if:
a number hits.  We bet 36 units on it right after.  Next spin another one hits: 36u on it, and 35 on the first one .  What if we remove a unit every spin on the ones that have a bet on them, and reset to 36 units when hit?  So after 6 spins, one nr has 36, 1 has 35, one has 34...  33,32,31.

And then bang! 5th nr comes again, claiming its 36x 34u!  Then 3 spins later boom!!! A new repeater with 28 units on it!  And then next spin, the first repeater with 32 units on it... holy...

What if...

Tested with 2x'ers.  Might have been lucky but this is what just happened!  Playing on repeaters only  offers less ''shooting all over the place'' and focuses on the hotness.

First spins look great, let's see if it hold in the long run...

[Iain]

Here are the two spreadsheets I have been working on. One for the original system and the other for staking 36 units after a repeat and descending by 1 unit each spin. You can change the settings in the yellow shaded area and click spin for 1 spin at a time or click start for an automated simulation. You can reset everything by clicking 'New Session'.

The spreadsheets use macros and will only work in Excel. You will need to enable content when prompted for them to work. I haven't had time to extensively test so if you think there is an error or there is something you don't understand, just let me know?

[Bigbroben]

Wicked, Iain!

Thanks, I'll play with this new toy..,

[Bigbroben]

I tested with the first sheet (not the descend).

Got great results with the settings: target:1  (new high), stop-loss:100
After 1 hit, max 24 bets.

This is promising!

Thanks again!

[Iain]

I noticed the losing sessions often had many numbers bet, beyond 30 so I added another option to the settings allowing you to restrict the amount of numbers bet at the same time. The numbers that hit most recently take precedence.

[Bigbroben]

Doin ok for this new way:

Wait until there are 18 unhits.  Go KTF (is it?) from 18 unhits until 10 unhits left.

Then: forget the unhits, put one unit on all 27 others.  Hold and spin until losing a spin.  When losing, add the new nr and add one unit on all previous nrs  (1x on 27 nrs, then 2x on 28nrs,...).  Do not remove units after a win, at this stage of game.

Play until bankroll reaches twice the current bet ( safest), or until reaching desired br, or until 4 nrs are left (good average), or until one number left, at which point there is no more profit (risky). Could be good (see game2: 2 dead numbers for a while) or bad (see game 3).
Stop loss -500.

Did try by blindly starting to bet hits at spin 37, with sometimes only 22 nrs.  Too many dips, too many units on nrs too early.

P.S. this is not an HG!!!!  Please test!

[Bigbroben]

Allright guys I think I found it! ( Say what you will)

So, this is the opposite of KTF, in a way.

KTF works fine until unhits become scarce and then you are just praying the Holy Rabbit for not too many repeaters to hit past spin 37 or else you are digging yourself down deeper every time.  I've seen games on other posts, and saw my own real money going from a +400 profit down to -1xxx until next succesful bet.  This makes me die sooner.  Kinda annoying.
The further in the game, the longer it takes to get a hit with KTF.  An alembert progression +1/-1 is fine when return rate is >=1( 18 nrs and less).  Otherwise not all previous losses are caught back in next win.

So with all the test on repeaters and sleeping numbers, here is what I came to:
    I'd start betting on hitters when there are 12 out (not 12 spins: 12 last different numbers).  If lose, +1 on all nrs plus on the new one ( so 2x13). Then if win, -1.  Reset at whichever comes first: new high or back to progression1.  Alembert will get you to a new high even at 3units per nr, if starting at 12 nrs.  Why 12 numbers?  Hell I dunno but I like it.  And more chances to hit a next repeater than starting at 6, and better reward that at 15 or 18 nrs.

I attached a game that show how most of the time a new high is reached within 6 spins, and almost all within 10.

The great thing with betting on hitted nrs is that , instead of having less and less chances of hitting, as the spins go by, the more chances hitters will repeat.  So instead of a parabolic curve downward representing your bankroll, it is a flattening downward curve, or at least a bottom is there to stop the bleeding, IF no repeater come in 25 spins from 12 nr to 37 ( which is unlikely).

Attached, a game.  Notice the overall soft climbing slope. 
Spins 94 to 132: a real bummer, where hardly any repeater came by, even after betting on 18+ nrs.  At 24 nrs and up, I no longer reduced -1 the units, kept the +1 in a loss.  Still wondering what's better: stop loss or to continue...

I'll run more test of course, but I'm pretty sure...

If anyone could give it a try, see if another entry point is better, other progression...

[Bigbroben]

Ok this is great.
Continued the same game, reached 2000 within 300 spins.  Had 2 drawdowns later in the game and they both recovered fantastically.  When repeaters kick in, they don't stop!

[Bigbroben]

Another crazy drawdown that bounced back quickly. 
12 initial numbers, then 10 spins without repeater, total 22 nrs, which rarely happens.  Then repeaters kicked in and score was quick above previous high.

Red: initial nrs; blue: added nrs; green: hits.

I think this is a good system.

[nottophammer]

Turbo would be creaming his pants with that string of spins, doubles 18,35,31,28 and a tripple 17 mega bucks

[ZERO]

Another crazy drawdown that bounced back quickly. 
12 initial numbers, then 10 spins without repeater, total 22 nrs, which rarely happens.  Then repeaters kicked in and score was quick above previous high.

Red: initial nrs; blue: added nrs; green: hits.

I think this is a good system.

Good job Big  this looks like a solid method to play the repeaters!

[jekhb76]

Allright guys I think I found it! ( Say what you will)

So, this is the opposite of KTF, in a way.

KTF works fine until unhits become scarce and then you are just praying the Holy Rabbit for not too many repeaters to hit past spin 37 or else you are digging yourself down deeper every time.  I've seen games on other posts, and saw my own real money going from a +400 profit down to -1xxx until next succesful bet.  This makes me die sooner.  Kinda annoying.
The further in the game, the longer it takes to get a hit with KTF.  An alembert progression +1/-1 is fine when return rate is >=1( 18 nrs and less).  Otherwise not all previous losses are caught back in next win.

So with all the test on repeaters and sleeping numbers, here is what I came to:
    I'd start betting on hitters when there are 12 out (not 12 spins: 12 last different numbers).  If lose, +1 on all nrs plus on the new one ( so 2x13). Then if win, -1.  Reset at whichever comes first: new high or back to progression1.  Alembert will get you to a new high even at 3units per nr, if starting at 12 nrs.  Why 12 numbers?  Hell I dunno but I like it.  And more chances to hit a next repeater than starting at 6, and better reward that at 15 or 18 nrs.

I attached a game that show how most of the time a new high is reached within 6 spins, and almost all within 10.

The great thing with betting on hitted nrs is that , instead of having less and less chances of hitting, as the spins go by, the more chances hitters will repeat.  So instead of a parabolic curve downward representing your bankroll, it is a flattening downward curve, or at least a bottom is there to stop the bleeding, IF no repeater come in 25 spins from 12 nr to 37 ( which is unlikely).

Attached, a game.  Notice the overall soft climbing slope. 
Spins 94 to 132: a real bummer, where hardly any repeater came by, even after betting on 18+ nrs.  At 24 nrs and up, I no longer reduced -1 the units, kept the +1 in a loss.  Still wondering what's better: stop loss or to continue...

I'll run more test of course, but I'm pretty sure...

If anyone could give it a try, see if another entry point is better, other progression...

You are getting Close!!! Good job, Keep goin' and there Will be No way Back (in a good way) !

[Bigbroben]

You guys sound like OldTimers watching a rookie learning the game...

[Bigbroben]

Different parameters to check:

1) entry point: here, 12.  Any other way better, say 9 or 15 numbers?

2) Progression: here +1/-1 until 24 nrs, then only +1.  Stay at 1 until 3 losses?  Stop reducing past 18 nrs?

3) Continuity: here stop and reset at new high.  Continue until back down to level 1u?  If 24 nrs and up, continue the swing until a loss?
     I prefer reseting the game at new high, less exposition to heavier bets.

This is passioning...