TURBO'S REPEATERS SIMULATION.

[nottophammer]

Steve
You've banged your big drum, a 1/3rd of replies are yours, some don't need you constantly telling them Test,test, it's a free society, well supposed to be, apart from those that bang the big drum.

Let them find out for themselves, you found out, so you say, perhaps Mr copy and paste found out the hard way, but the hard way is a lesson well learnt.

[nottophammer]

Steve look to the above, there's a similarity. The similarity is in spins 11-40 avg 15.4

So if members can accept on avg 15 non-hit and 15 repeats happen, theres Turbos repeats.

Can members use info for the 4 blocks of 10 spins, at spin 1 whats the larger group, spin 11 whats the larger group, whats happened in 21-30 and 31-40, yes the 1spin each time for 40 spins gives the avg's

In all of Morts posted games the 4 blocks of 10 spins are similar, so find out how in 40 spins an avg of 15 non-hit and 15 repeats happen, if you believe Turbo that repeats are the way, get the green tracker and see how the repeats come.

[The General]

Notto,

Why are you testing such short term samples?

Expand your horizons.  Test 10 to 100k spins at a time.   You're wasting your time charting small samples and that leads to cherry picking the results. (Unintentional curve fitting.)  Think long term.

[atlantis]

C'mon, dude, In this case I think the real-time testing over shorter duration is preferable to testing 10-100k sessions which, realistically, is never going to happen in actual live play...

[Steve]

Atlantis, that's one of the biggest and most common mistakes.  long term testing is not for short or long term results specifically. It is to determine true effectiveness.

This is critical to understand.

[The General]

Is Caleb also......STEVE?!

Oh no!  We are two different people as you can clearly see.
And I'm much better looking!

[atlantis]

Atlantis, that's one of the biggest and most common mistakes.  long term testing is not for short or long term results specifically. It is to determine true effectiveness.

This is critical to understand.

I probably got the wrong idea then - was under the impression and thought he meant continuous play over such a large amt of spins. Of course more tests need to be done. I am totally in favour of that, just to clear up any misunderstanding I have no problem in accepting that fact, General.

A.

[Steve]

carefully read what i said.  to be clearer, any edge applies to both short and long term.

the point of long term testing is simply to verify the real edge.

like with roulette computers... in my demos i do about 120 spins, so the edge is clear. But we almost never play that many spins in real play.

we can do so few spins for tests because theres lots of data for validation - not just accuracy. with a system, proper validation needs far more spins, even if you play only short term.

put another way, if a casino loses 5% in a day on a wheel, does it mean their edge is 5% loss? No, its just short term result. what a system player doing short term tests does is just looks at meaningless short term results.

[Steve]

Oh no!  We are two different people as you can clearly see.
And I'm much better looking!

and im the snappier dresser

[nottophammer]

Notto,

Why are you testing such short term samples?

because i only need to know how it comes  for 60 spins

[daveylibra]

Simply put, this 21.01% players edge is just 1 session.
Any 1 session can be good, doing anything.
Wouldn't you want to know the average after, say, 50 sessions, if putting your money on the table?

[ZERO]

Simply put, this 21.01% players edge is just 1 session.
Any 1 session can be good, doing anything.
Wouldn't you want to know the average after, say, 50 sessions, if putting your money on the table?

But isn`t each session in 50 sessions just 1 session?..

[Steve]

A result is not an edge, unless you have other data to back it up

[daveylibra]

21.01% is just a result after a few spins. It's not an edge.
I've tested it with 111 spins (3*37) , then repeated 100 times.
It's way in the negative.

[Roulettebeater]

because i only need to know how it comes  for 60 spins

A new day, a new fallacy
50 spins are not quite enough for a real test ... I always test my system with different tables, different dealers...