TURBO'S REPEATERS SIMULATION.

[Roulettebeater]

hi steve..........for one you dont  know me.......so dont say you do ......all i know is youve been talking up a storm and for sure you have been around a long time and for sure you still are not winning.......or you wouldnt be here still looking.........and you havent shown any proof of any success.......have a nice day and keep on tryin

You are too strong to put Steve under attack!

of course Steve still looking around, don't you see him always logged in (hidden), I am sure though that he has made enough money selling his computer than winning on roulette.

You traitor -:)

[maestro]

There is no winning strategy without the use of progression.

@andre whatever....how the fuck do you know

[TurboGenius]

Wow, I went to sleep last night and all hell broke loose lol.
Well, at least the conversation is happening and moving forward.
People can learn regardless of what "side" they are on, so it's a plus.

[maestro]

Wow, I went to sleep last night

you sleep too much Turbo...
you should know is hard work to teach caveman to open e mail...

[Roulettebeater]

[Steve]

for one you dont  know me

I do know you. You asked me to prove my claims, I did, then you had few words and now have a problem with me.

all i know is youve been talking up a storm

as I do when I see people are full of shit

for sure you still are not winning.......or you wouldnt be here still looking

Unless you have better than 150% edge, I'm not looking.

and you havent shown any proof of any success

Actually I'm working on a martingale variant to apply when I figure the trot. It's almost done. I'll publish a 37 spin chart from RS as proof.

have a nice day and keep on tryin

Thanks. I'll keep the faith.

[Steve]

You are too strong to put Steve under attack!

of course Steve still looking around, don't you see him always logged in (hidden), I am sure though that he has made enough money selling his computer than winning on roulette.

You traitor -:)

1. Newsflash: This is my forum. I visit frequently.

2. I do alright without selling anything. And roulette may be a focus but actually its not my primary income.

[TurboGenius]

As far as a competition goes, I have to agree with Steve now that I tried it out -
R Sim. site's table limits are certainly exploitable.
"If I had only known that before lol".
A person could bet 1.00 on every 2:1 bet and remove the winners, double the losing bets and keep going until they all won and then start over.
You'd only have a problem if the initial 3k got burned through quickly, but other than that you could surely use a bot or manually to keep a chart going north
I actually played using my system and other ones that work - which in reality I guess doesn't mean much because someone could just do what I said above and make it (eventually) to the top like Steve said.
Parx is much better - regardless of log-in bonus (that doesn't count towards the leader board....) it would still be a even competition where both players
would have the exact same advantage and disadvantage - there's no "reset"
or ways to cheat and the table limits are at least more accurate as well.
But anyway - a competition is probably useless, it wouldn't convince anyone against what I'm saying that I'm right. I've already shown my Parx and R.Sim results
so if anyone could do that - good for them (is exactly what I'd say).

[cht]

Thanks for your response TG.

Now we know steve propose that your performance graph is achieved by exploiting the unlimited table limit on RS by applying martingale progression until a win.

If that's what steve plans to play martingale progression until win with autobot, then this challenge is rendered meaningless.

[Steve]

Hey Steve
When do you think a system qualifies for progression ?

Any system can use progression. It's just that if you aren't changing the odds, you are stuck with 1 in 37. Then your system is nothing more than random bet selection with a variety of different bet amounts on different spins.

For example, your progression may be:

Bet 1 unit on red, lose
Bet 2 units on red, lose
Bet 4 units on red, win

You think it's part of a system, and you win because red was due. But in fact all you've done is played 3 spins, with bets of 1,2 and 4 units. The odds are the same on each spin.

It's the equivalent of 3 players on completely different or the same wheel:

Player 1 bets 1 unit on red
Player 2 bets 2 units on red
Player 3 bets 4 units on red

So what good is progression? If your system doesn't change the odds.... not much really. All you're doing is changing the size of the bet. You could be lucky and win big, or be unlucky and lose big. The chances are your losses will slightly outweigh the winnings -- and that's the house edge.

The only times progression should be used:

1. When your system doesn't work but you are taking the gamble that progression will be profitable over whatever spins you play. It's risky, but either way it's gambling.

2. When you have a good positive edge, and know increasing the bet size is statistically likely to increase your profits. With larger bets you risk more, but you have the edge so the odds are in your favor.

[cht]

Also about steve proposal that the log-in bonus contribute to your large growing balance on the leader board.

It can be factually established if the log-in bonus contributes towards the balance for ranking on the leader board.

I don't know.

Can anyone who uses parx post a factual confirmation about this ?

Note - I thank both steve and TG for their response.

[Steve]

A person could bet 1.00 on every 2:1 bet and remove the winners, double the losing bets and keep going until they all won and then start over. You'd only have a problem if the initial 3k got burned through quickly, but other than that you could surely use a bot or manually to keep a chart going north

So here it is. You are finally saying yourself RS is NOT a good place to compare systems.

Parx is much better - regardless of log-in bonus (that doesn't count towards the leader board....)

Here we go again. The bonus doesn't count, but your winnings from the bonuses do count. I've explained it in detail before. You'd have to be thick to review all the proof then say "parx is not rigged".

It's incorrect to say players have the same advantage, because not everyone logs in every day to get the increasing bonus, which you only get with consecutive days of login.

But anyway - a competition is probably useless, it wouldn't convince anyone against what I'm saying that I'm right.

But you've been touting RS as proof of your claims. You've been bragging about your high rank. And I've said all along it wouldn't be difficult to rank at the top. It has nothing to do with your bet selection (repeaters). It might be poor quality RNG, but an obvious and likely contributor is ridiculously unrealistic table limits. And they make it possible to profit and rank high with random bets and progression betting.

I accepted the challenge to prove this point. Now you are saying anyone can do it with progression. Now you are agreeing with me about RS.

As for Parx, it has all been said before. You'd have to be blind or with very poor understanding of math to not know without a doubt Parx is rigged, and makes it possible for a player to perpetually increase their bankroll and "winnings". Again I explained it all before.

Now as for the challenge, there isn't much point as you just said anyone can achieve a top rank. So we're left at the point, why bother testing there and bragging about your rank?

The one fair and realistic simulator is MPR, and both of your accounts have expected win rates, which are clear loss. I'm guessing that's why you're not proving your system there, or any proper simulator.

It can be factually established if the log-in bonus contributes towards the balance for ranking on the leader board. I don't know. Can anyone who uses parx post a factual confirmation about this ?

It doesnt appear to contribute. I'm not talking about the login bonus. I'm talking about the winnings with the login and other bonuses.

[Steve]

At the end Turbo, you've been touting your system as one that NEVER LOSES. And to prove that to everyone, you spend a lot of time on Parx and RS.

And I've provided very clear information why both of these options are a very bad and unrealistic way to test a system.

So since you are interested in proving your system NEVER LOSES AND IS THE HG, why are you using rigged and unrealistic simulators?

[TurboGenius]

As for Parx, it has all been said before. You'd have to be blind or with very poor understanding of math to not know without a doubt Parx is rigged, and makes it possible for a player to perpetually increase their bankroll and "winnings". Again I explained it all before.

And like I said - Parx is completely fair.
Any bonus doesn't count towards the leaderboard rankings - so if you accept the challenge - play there.
It resets every week, you could surely do the same or better than I did - but you won't.
At R. SIm I never played insane progressions or exploited that in order to rank - my charts clearly show that. There's no massive spike that would mean a giant progression beyond the typical table limits were used.
I assume your results would show that though.
My chart since January has been a constant uphill climb - I don't see anything close to that from anyone else regardless of their position.
But yes, waste of time as far as a competition.
If you want to do it, use Parx - it's so amazingly rigged in your opinion, think how easy it would be. I'm positive you won't though because in reality, it's not rigged and you won't have a loophole to use like R. Sim seems to have.
But anyway, waste of time.

[keepontryin]

come on steve there you go again bla bla bla .........you against turbo on prax ......rigged or not ....BOTH WILL BE TREATED THE SAME....... lets see who makes more.......quit your babying put your big boy pants on and do this thing