TURBO'S REPEATERS SIMULATION.

[RouletteGhost]

What do ya say buddy? Shut up with the same recycled shit everyday? Yea?

[Turner]

I feel that it's important for people to learn what works, what doesn't, and what's misleading to naive people.

LMAO!

I really have heard it all now.

Saint Caleb the Compassionate

[RouletteGhost]

if I was drinking a beer, I would have just spit it out

LMAO

[Turner]

if I was drinking a beer, I would have just spit it out

LMAO

Can you get hold of Guinness West indies Porter in US? Its 6%, one of my fav. beers

[RouletteGhost]

im not a big porter/stout guy

I am sure I could find it though

I have been in the craft beer scene over the past year

The Hazy New England IPAs have gotten out of hand

HEY you are in the UK....one of my favorite NY breweries does collaborations with CLOUDWATER....if you want to try a new England hazy ipa I strongly suggest going to cloud water

in manchester

new england hazy IPAs are the BEST beers out there IMO

link:://cloudwaterbrew.co/

[RouletteGhost]

if it is a chocolate or coffee stout i can tolerate it

cloudwater has stouts to

their websites lists them all...those DDH IPAs sound amazing!

[Turner]

link:://cloudwaterbrew.co/

I feel a bit embarrassed. Never heard of it. Right next to the train station.

Boddingtons was the big Manchester brewery. Holts is still going.

I used to Brew Bitter. have my own Mash tun and boiler.

My team was awarded a day out down town and I am meeting up at Piccadilly station. Ill go early and get some pics.

[The General]

LMAO!

I really have heard it all now.

Saint Caleb the Compassionate



Some people say that my heart is three sizes too big. 

[RouletteGhost]

the brewery here did a collaboration with cloudwater...

one of my favorites...."all citra everything" it is called...a hazy, juicy IPA

the UK version was a little too strong for my taste but still very good

[Steve]

And like I said - Parx is completely fair.

Turbo, wake up. If you log in every day, you get a higher bonus than players who don't log in every day.  Here, so everyone can see:



Your argument is Parx is fair because everyone COULD just login every day for the maximum daily bonus. Sure they COULD, but I'm sure many players dont. Then they go back to only 500 units daily bonus, instead of your 3000 credits bonus every day.

Then your next argument is bonus credits dont count towards the winnings total. And even if that's true, it's not what i'm talking about.

Consider this:

If I log in every day and build to 3000 bonus credits per day, and do this for 1 week, I'll have 7 x 3000 credits = $21,000 to play with. Meanwhile, a new members starts with $1000 (or whatever low amount).

Now both of you bet everything you have on red. You extend the betting limits by using combinations of bets. You both have the same odds of winning (EC). Now you both win on red. You both double your money. You now have $42,000 and the other player has $2000. So who's going to rank higher and be more likely to get the $100,000 bonus?

The same thing is easily done with a system rather than one bet.

Come on Turbo, this is really simple math. I've explained all this before and you are deliberately avoiding it. Again your excuses are:

1. Everyone has the same chance. Everyone can login consecutive days too. But you say it a different way. Instead you say "parx is fair".

2. "Bonuses dont count towards winnings". You said:

Any bonus doesn't count towards the leaderboard rankings - so if you accept the challenge - play there.

The winnings from bonuses DO count. I've said this so many times now, and you are still repeating the same nonsense. You keep avoiding the real issue, so many times now that it must be deliberate. Why?

At R. SIm I never played insane progressions or exploited that in order to rank - my charts clearly show that. There's no massive spike that would mean a giant progression beyond the typical table limits were used.

Actually it more shows your aim for each session is at least a small profit before resetting. Certain types of progression reduce the chance of large spikes. One example is betting on red and using a +1 after losses and -1 after wins progression, then reset on any profit.

use Parx - it's so amazingly rigged in your opinion, think how easy it would be

Well yeah, easy, all I'd need to do is:

1. Set a bot to log in every day for the $3000/day consecutive day bonus. I'll build my bankroll to say $50,000.

2. I'll use a basic progression system.

Because I made $50,000 from nothing and most "suckers" are stuck with the $500 daily bonus, they wouldn't be able to compete. That means i'll have the best shot at a $100,000 bonus. then I'll be unstoppable. Nobody would be able to win as much as me, and I'll rank higher, win another $100,000 prize, and so on.

Or is the math too complicated for you to understand?

Getting $50,000 just for logging in every day is just like a real casino, isn't it?

Getting a $100,000 bonus which is then used to win more and outrank other players is totally realistic, isnt it?

Tell me again, Parx is not rigged.

Ranking high on parx is easy, but it takes TIME. That's why i agree to a challenge but only with a bot that plays for me.

in reality, it's not rigged and you won't have a loophole to use like R. Sim seems to have.

Turbo you either don't understand the very simple math I'm explaining, or you are deliberately avoiding it. I think you're avoiding it.

come on steve there you go again bla bla bla .........you against turbo on prax ......rigged or not ....BOTH WILL BE TREATED THE SAME....... lets see who makes more.......quit your babying put your big boy pants on and do this thing

Another one who translates logic to "bla bla bla".

I already agreed to such a challenge but only if someone provides a bot to play automatically. I have a life and wont sit and waste weeks to prove something that is already obvious if you understand primary school math. Great that turbo has that spare time, but I don't.

hey steve do you think you could show a better graph on prax then turbo.......do you think you would have a constant uphill climb as long as turbo ......i say put up or shut up......

Sure, +/-1 unit progression on EC and reset on bankroll increase. Whoopie. No big spikes, and taking advantage of unrealistic table limits.

A challenge would only be for your benefit, not mine. So you can better understand Parx is a terrible place to test or compare a system. I'm not keen on wasting weeks or months of time on play money, like turbo does. That's why I accept the challenge only if a bot is used.

Before turbo admitted RS is not a good place to test, and multiple other players also rank high with the HG, I'm sure you would have been saying it was proof of his HG.

You not understanding parx math is your own problem. I'm sure at least intelligent people here can understand the logic and why a test on Parx would be useless.

The best overall test would be to play side-by-side with turbo on the same spins and same wheel, for months. It's not practical of course. But it would prove that a +120% edge with a roulette computer beats 1 -2.7% edge repeaters system. Would you be so surprised?

Sure computers are cheating, in half of casinos. In the other half, it's not cheating and we do pretty well. But its a rather unfair comparison. I'm not looking to compare my methods with anyone else's. I don't care about anyone else's methods. Why would I, considering my edge? I care about people misleading others.

You dont have time to log in every day? Well you can here so you can there as well....
Now enough talk......prove your awesome skills

I would need to spend weeks or months playing solidly like Turbo did. To win PLAY MONEY and show a few people what is already obvious in the math and logic of parx. I'm sorry, I have a life. I already waste enough time explaining basic concepts to a few people that still dont get it.

If he has a set stop loss and stop win that gives him more wins then losses then good for him

Stop-loss does nothing. It can prevent you from hitting some big wins, or ave you from further loss. Which will it do? Well there's a slightly greater chance continued play will mean you lose. And that's because of the house edge. Money management and stop loss is actually nearly worthless in most cases. It's for gamblers.

The control of the bets. When they bet. How often they bet. The stop loss. Etc etc.

That’s why I laugh when guys like coder joe graph 3 million spins clearly not following rules

The system player has no control over the odds. So it doesnt much matter what they bet or what system they use. It's all just a bunch of random bets with random bet size. And that's the reality of what systems are. It doesnt matter how you package it or think it works.... a typical system is a collection of elaborate but useless triggers that don't change the accuracy, and bet sizes that mere vary the amount wagered.

All this rift between the math / AP guys and the system players is bullshit from the system players who dont understand the math, or how to test properly. APs dont care if you lose money. I dont care if you lose your own money. I only care about people being misled. I';m genuinely spending my time here trying to help people. Although there's always the occasional moron who thinks it must be a grand conspiracy.

Also you need to understand the importance of testing large volumes of spins.

This is all a big circle. I wish I could say its a debate or discussion. But the reality is we have Turbo misleading people, and a few gullible people who are not understanding basic math and logic.

[Steve]

For the people who think me and Caleb are the ones with problems.... what you need to understand is what we're saying is actually the truth. What Turbo and many others are preaching is actually harmful and inaccurate.

We are doing the right thing by explaining it. But unfortunately it is not being understood, people take it personally, people think there's a hidden agenda, people get offended and upset their perception is revealed and incorrect, and so on.

But you know we are not talking about some huge Earth-shattering revelation. We are talking about really, really basic stuff.

[Turner]

For the people who think me and Caleb are the ones with problems.... what you need to understand is what we're saying is actually the truth

but you are an open minded guy who will look at radical ways other than AP and you are not out to disrupt the site. You are not a virus. A virus that is very very predictable in the way it escalates.

[TurboGenius]

I didn't read the whole thing (but I will).

So far....maybe I still can't explain it -

The math doesn't change like you seem to think it does.

Now both of you bet everything you have on red. You extend the betting limits by using combinations of bets. You both have the same odds of winning (EC). Now you both win on red. You both double your money. You now have $42,000 and the other player has $2000.

You forgot - they're using the same math.
They both bet on red and black shows.
One lost 21,000.00 and the other 1,000
The math doesn't change at all - bet big and win or lose big, bet less and win or lose less - same math, no advantage.
But anyway - you just assume they both won and now the one player is so far ahead of the other..
in reality - if they both lose, one only lost 1k and the other 21 times that.
Anyway - I'll add more once I read more.

[cht]

For the people who think me and Caleb are the ones with problems.... what you need to understand is what we're saying is actually the truth. What Turbo and many others are preaching is actually harmful and inaccurate.

We are doing the right thing by explaining it. But unfortunately it is not being understood, people take it personally, people think there's a hidden agenda, people get offended and upset their perception is revealed and incorrect, and so on.

But you know we are not talking about some huge Earth-shattering revelation. We are talking about really, really basic stuff.

Not complete truth when you admit you don't know everything.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20184.0

When you declare you maintain an open mind, don't contradict yourself. I don't expect you to believe unsubstantiated claims either. Open minded enough that winning systems play are not posted on forums.

[The General]

I really wish more people here could speak the language of math.

Basic probability is everyone's friend when it comes to understanding the game and it's payout.  Unfortunately it's all too often met with hostility and attacks.