PATTERN ATTACK®

[Andre Chass]

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Ricky

Good job Ricky!

I see you went to 5th step... Too much risk

Did you use the original strategy waiting 8 hands?

[Ricky]

Good job Ricky!

I see you went to 5th step... Too much risk

Did you use the original strategy waiting 8 hands?

Hi Andre,
Here was my progression. Settled for a small loss. Started betting after trigger of 8 but had gut feeling this would go beyond 4 steps and so bet to recover bets rather than make a profit


I am currently testing a negative/positive progression idea based on the PATTERN ATTACK pattern BPP / PBB. It is showing some success with bankroll moving forward. The idea is as follows:

1. Bet almost EVERY hand for the pattern NOT to form.
2. At start of shoe based on player/banker result bet the SAME side 1 unit. I am using 1 euro for testing
2. If LOSE then pattern starting to form so increase bet by HALF base unit. in my case 1.5 euro. Keep increasing by half a base unit betting AGAINST the pattern to form.
So if the pattern forms to 8th hand you have bet 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 = 19 units
At this point you will start betting your high bets that the pattern does not continue. Progression is your preference but considering you are down  19 units you may decide to bet to recover this amount or win back this amount plus half. So you could use a base bet of 30 euro or 35 euro

3. If WIN bet same amount again 1 euro for the pattern NOT to continue.
4. If you WIN a second time in a row then start a positive progression for the pattern not to form using 1 1.5 2  2.5 4 6 8 progression while WINNING. Each bet will be for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to start forming. So if BBB are last hands then continue betting B. If PPP are last hands then continue betting P

5. For a TIE I currently STOP betting until I see the next hand. Once next hand comes out continue betting at the same level for the pattern NOT to form. So you would bet the same side resulted after the TIE. eg if TIE then B continue at the same progression on B. If TIE then P continue with P.

6. If after the pattern forms for several hands and you are in negative progression then the pattern is broken with a WIN you reset back to 1 base unit eg 1 euro and start your positive progression waiting for 2 wins in a row.

The idea with this method is you are betting almost every hand for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to form. You are also taking advantage of the streaks of the same pattern PPPPPP BBBBBB PBPBPBPBPBP BPBPBPBPB and using a positive progression to increase your wins using casino money.

The negative progression needs to be worked on. Maybe we can just FLAT bet and reduce out risk to 8 units down from 19 units. But using a progression on the first few hands at least avoids getting into a negative bankroll if there is a lot of chop from loss to win.

Let's see if we can improve on this idea to extend the PATTERN ATTACK success.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Andre,
Here was my progression. Settled for a small loss. Started betting after trigger of 8 but had gut feeling this would go beyond 4 steps and so bet to recover bets rather than make a profit


I am currently testing a negative/positive progression idea based on the PATTERN ATTACK pattern BPP / PBB. It is showing some success with bankroll moving forward. The idea is as follows:

1. Bet almost EVERY hand for the pattern NOT to form.
2. At start of shoe based on player/banker result bet the SAME side 1 unit. I am using 1 euro for testing
2. If LOSE then pattern starting to form so increase bet by HALF base unit. in my case 1.5 euro. Keep increasing by half a base unit betting AGAINST the pattern to form.
So if the pattern forms to 8th hand you have bet 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 = 19 units
At this point you will start betting your high bets that the pattern does not continue. Progression is your preference but considering you are down  19 units you may decide to bet to recover this amount or win back this amount plus half. So you could use a base bet of 30 euro or 35 euro

3. If WIN bet same amount again 1 euro for the pattern NOT to continue.
4. If you WIN a second time in a row then start a positive progression for the pattern not to form using 1 1.5 2  2.5 4 6 8 progression while WINNING. Each bet will be for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to start forming. So if BBB are last hands then continue betting B. If PPP are last hands then continue betting P

5. For a TIE I currently STOP betting until I see the next hand. Once next hand comes out continue betting at the same level for the pattern NOT to form. So you would bet the same side resulted after the TIE. eg if TIE then B continue at the same progression on B. If TIE then P continue with P.

6. If after the pattern forms for several hands and you are in negative progression then the pattern is broken with a WIN you reset back to 1 base unit eg 1 euro and start your positive progression waiting for 2 wins in a row.

The idea with this method is you are betting almost every hand for the PATTERN ATTACK pattern not to form. You are also taking advantage of the streaks of the same pattern PPPPPP BBBBBB PBPBPBPBPBP BPBPBPBPB and using a positive progression to increase your wins using casino money.

The negative progression needs to be worked on. Maybe we can just FLAT bet and reduce out risk to 8 units down from 19 units. But using a progression on the first few hands at least avoids getting into a negative bankroll if there is a lot of chop from loss to win.

Let's see if we can improve on this idea to extend the PATTERN ATTACK success.

Cheers,
Ricky

Just as small correction on the above strategy. The positive progression should read
1 1 1.5 2 3 4 6 8

[Ricky]

Just as small correction on the above strategy. The positive progression should read
1 1 1.5 2 3 4 6 8

More testing done on this method where you play every hand against the pattern BPP or  PBB forming has proven not worth the effort in its current form. Due to the even nature of Baccarat, unless you get a very long streak of P, B or BP or many streaks after each other you find yourself going up and down in an even swing from profit to loss. It gets a bit negative when you get several 5-7 hands patterns almost getting to the trigger but not quite making it to allow you to bet your main trigger.

Another idea I am thinking of is how you can for any given shoe know how many hands to wait for before you start betting PATTERN ATTACK. Currently we have a a STATIC trigger of 8 hands and need to bet a 4 STEP to bet against a 4-peat of the BPP/PBB pattern. 8 hands is only 2 2/3 repeat. What we find is that you often do get a 3-peat forming but it RARELY turns into a 4-peat. These tend to come in waves and then go away for a considerable amount of time making it difficult to get a trigger for several hours.

Now I was wondering if we can add an additional rule for when we would bet a BPP and when we would bet a PBB. We should have a random number of repeats from 3-6 which we will wait for. But where do we get this random number. Well one way would be to look at the first 7 hands of the shoe and count the number of Ps and Bs that won and use this number for each PBB and BPP respectively as the number of repeats we will wait for in the current shoe. This will create a random selection where for the casino to beat us they would need to get this initial count right as well as the pattern to form more than that amount of times.

Here is the rule we can use
1. Track the first 7 hands. Ignore all tie bets
2. Count the number of player wins and banker wins. Total Banker + Player wins will equal 7
3. based on the count of each use the following table as your trigger for each pattern
Player wins                  Trigger                                        Hands before betting
<5                                  PBB PBB PB                                            8
5                                    PBB PBB PBB PB                                    11
6                                    PBB PBB PBB PBB PB                           14
7                                    PBB PBB PBB PBB PBB PB                   17

Banker Wins                Trigger                                                     Hands before betting   
<5                                  BPP BPP BP                                             8
5                                    BPP BPP BPP BP                                     11
6                                    BPP BPP BPP BPP BP                             14
7                                    BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BP                     17

So the above table will enable to to determine if you should wait beyond the 8th hand before starting to bet. It will give the casino another condition that should be met if it wants to beat us.

I am not sure if the above is a good strategy but it will give us another trigger we can use before we commit ourselves to betting after the 8th Hand. If there is a better way I am interest to know how else we can avoid those rare occasions where the pattern wants to continue forming past the 8th and 11th hands increasing our risk of losing

Cheers,
Ricky

[Andre Chass]

More testing done on this method where you play every hand against the pattern BPP or  PBB forming has proven not worth the effort in its current form. Due to the even nature of Baccarat, unless you get a very long streak of P, B or BP or many streaks after each other you find yourself going up and down in an even swing from profit to loss. It gets a bit negative when you get several 5-7 hands patterns almost getting to the trigger but not quite making it to allow you to bet your main trigger.

I've tested it and you're right. It's not worth the effort because I found myself up and down constantly.

Another idea I am thinking of is how you can for any given shoe know how many hands to wait for before you start betting PATTERN ATTACK. Currently we have a a STATIC trigger of 8 hands and need to bet a 4 STEP to bet against a 4-peat of the BPP/PBB pattern. 8 hands is only 2 2/3 repeat. What we find is that you often do get a 3-peat forming but it RARELY turns into a 4-peat. These tend to come in waves and then go away for a considerable amount of time making it difficult to get a trigger for several hours.

Now I was wondering if we can add an additional rule for when we would bet a BPP and when we would bet a PBB. We should have a random number of repeats from 3-6 which we will wait for. But where do we get this random number. Well one way would be to look at the first 7 hands of the shoe and count the number of Ps and Bs that won and use this number for each PBB and BPP respectively as the number of repeats we will wait for in the current shoe. This will create a random selection where for the casino to beat us they would need to get this initial count right as well as the pattern to form more than that amount of times.

Here is the rule we can use
1. Track the first 7 hands. Ignore all tie bets
2. Count the number of player wins and banker wins. Total Banker + Player wins will equal 7
3. based on the count of each use the following table as your trigger for each pattern
Player wins                  Trigger                                        Hands before betting
<5                                  PBB PBB PB                                            8
5                                    PBB PBB PBB PB                                    11
6                                    PBB PBB PBB PBB PB                           14
7                                    PBB PBB PBB PBB PBB PB                   17

Banker Wins                Trigger                                                     Hands before betting   
<5                                  BPP BPP BP                                             8
5                                    BPP BPP BPP BP                                     11
6                                    BPP BPP BPP BPP BP                             14
7                                    BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BP                     17

So the above table will enable to to determine if you should wait beyond the 8th hand before starting to bet. It will give the casino another condition that should be met if it wants to beat us.

I am not sure if the above is a good strategy but it will give us another trigger we can use before we commit ourselves to betting after the 8th Hand. If there is a better way I am interest to know how else we can avoid those rare occasions where the pattern wants to continue forming past the 8th and 11th hands increasing our risk of losing

Cheers,
Ricky

The triggers are too long. The patterns forming for 5 times is a VERY rare event. I dont think it makes sense.

Ricky

Yesterday I was tracking the tables for hours. I noticed that when the trigger appears, hardly the pattern will form 4 times again in the same shoe.

Ex:

BPP BPP BP or more hands appears only once in the same shoe. Hardly it will appears twice.
The same situation occurs with PBB PBB PB.

So if, for example, BPP BPP BP appeared once, you will know it will not shows again in the same shoe.

I hope Ive been clear.

[Andre Chass]

I think Pattern Attack is a percentage game.

We have to be patience and discipline. We have to wait for the trigger and accept the losses. If we feel confident we can bet before the trigger.

And we have to choose the appropriate progression for a given situation.

We have to accept that we won't always win. No strategy wins all the time even using computers.

[Andre Chass]

Baccarat is a 50/50 game. There are no crazy strategies. Banker or Player... That's it.

I researched a lot on the internet and found nothing better than that. I found a lot of strategies that are no more than a guessing game.

I think the only strategy is to bet that a rare event will not occur.

We use statistics and probability in our favor.

[Andre Chass]

One advantage we have is that we know the pattern will not last forever. So we can keep with the progression in the same bet for recovery.

Ex: BPP BPP BP bet B P B - lose? bet B P B
                                    1 2 4                    3 6 12

That's 6 step progression

[andrebac]

Baccarat is a 50/50 game. There are no crazy strategies. Banker or Player... That's it.

I researched a lot on the internet and found nothing better than that. I found a lot of strategies that are no more than a guessing game.

I think the only strategy is to bet that a rare event will not occur.

We use statistics and probability in our favor.

I started analyzing ricky's data
flat betting and stopping at -3 you get 60% of winning decisions and a final +22 units
I think that the key is in the first attempt, you get the winnings there, all the rest is just for recovering, need to ponder the best way to exploit it.
keep you updated
A

[jsintl]

I started analyzing ricky's data
flat betting and stopping at -3 you get 60% of winning decisions and a final +22 units
I think that the key is in the first attempt, you get the winnings there, all the rest is just for recovering, need to ponder the best way to exploit it.
keep you updated
A

Hello Andrebac,

Based on your analysis, do you recommend flatbetting with stop loss of -3.  Do you have any stop win per session?
Thanks

[andrebac]

Hello Andrebac,

Based on your analysis, do you recommend flatbetting with stop loss of -3.  Do you have any stop win per session?
Thanks

sorry but I don't recommend nothing, still analyzing to find the best setup.

[Ricky]

sorry but I don't recommend nothing, still analyzing to find the best setup.

After playing this method for a month and half when I get the chance what I can recommend is do NOT try to anticipate the pattern breaking BEFORE 8 hands. I have lost a lot of profit by jumping in after 5 hands with the expectation that the pattern will break most times by the 8th hand. I have an uncanny habit of timing the exact occasion when the 8th hand triggers the PATTERN ATTACK pattern

So be patient and just WAIT for the trigger. You may be waiting hours in some sessions but others you will get the trigger multiple times in the one shoe as in attachment.

This method works well with Flat betting but to avoid losing 1st and then winning 2nd or 3rd steps I would wait until 9th or 10 hand before starting to bet. The success rate and profit will be higher as the pattern rarely goes past 9 or 10 hands. The only thing is you might miss out on some opportunities.

For me I am playing it with a 3-4 step progression on low 20-30 base units. It I start with higher base unit I will limit progression to 2 steps or even break even or small loss rather than risking large bankroll for a small gain. It is all in proportion to your bankroll. Also I am covering tie on 2nd bet onwards to allow a breakeven from previous lost bets.
Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

After playing this method for a month and half when I get the chance what I can recommend is do NOT try to anticipate the pattern breaking BEFORE 8 hands. I have lost a lot of profit by jumping in after 5 hands with the expectation that the pattern will break most times by the 8th hand. I have an uncanny habit of timing the exact occasion when the 8th hand triggers the PATTERN ATTACK pattern

So be patient and just WAIT for the trigger. You may be waiting hours in some sessions but others you will get the trigger multiple times in the one shoe as in attachment.

This method works well with Flat betting but to avoid losing 1st and then winning 2nd or 3rd steps I would wait until 9th or 10 hand before starting to bet. The success rate and profit will be higher as the pattern rarely goes past 9 or 10 hands. The only thing is you might miss out on some opportunities.

For me I am playing it with a 3-4 step progression on low 20-30 base units. It I start with higher base unit I will limit progression to 2 steps or even break even or small loss rather than risking large bankroll for a small gain. It is all in proportion to your bankroll. Also I am covering tie on 2nd bet onwards to allow a breakeven from previous lost bets.
Cheers,
Ricky

Just to show you my bad timing immediately after this post I saw an 8 hand BPP BPP BP forming. Great What good timing after posting about flat betting and waiting for the 9th or 10th hand I do not take my own advise. So I start betting with 35 euro base bet after the 8th hand formed. Well it went to the 9th and 10th and 11th. With 200 euro down  I decided that was too much to risk going for the 4th step so decided to watch next hand. As per my luck I stop betting and the pattern breaks on the 4th step. Well it could have been worse. So now I have some catch up to do.

Don't say I only reveal my wins. Here is my 3rd serious loss after 1 and half months

Current stat is 79W 3L 1 TIE. Profit down to 654 euro

Had the discipline to avoid throwing my desktop  . Will not try to chase my losses now as will only risk getting into a bigger hole.

Cheers,
Ricky

[AndyCasinoK]

The strategy is POWERFUL If you play by the rules.

There's no needs to wait to change the shoe or play again after some hours... It's fallacy.

It needs a lot of paciente and bankroll.

And you can adapt your way of play and use different progressions.

We are betting against a rare pattern to form for 4 times. It's a rare event.

BPP BPP BP

PBB PBB PB

Nice  Pattern is what i use in Baccarat too  !

please tell me what you will do in all Tie situations like these ones :

PBB PBB PB T : ( here you stop right ? And wait for another Trigger )

And 

PBB PB PB B T : ( and here you ignore the T ? ) 

Thank you very much  , and i am new to this forum i hope to talk to you soon in private message so that we can maybe share our thoughts and experiences.

[Andre Chass]

Just to show you my bad timing immediately after this post I saw an 8 hand BPP BPP BP forming. Great What good timing after posting about flat betting and waiting for the 9th or 10th hand I do not take my own advise. So I start betting with 35 euro base bet after the 8th hand formed. Well it went to the 9th and 10th and 11th. With 200 euro down  I decided that was too much to risk going for the 4th step so decided to watch next hand. As per my luck I stop betting and the pattern breaks on the 4th step. Well it could have been worse. So now I have some catch up to do.

Don't say I only reveal my wins. Here is my 3rd serious loss after 1 and half months

Current stat is 79W 3L 1 TIE. Profit down to 654 euro

Had the discipline to avoid throwing my desktop  . Will not try to chase my losses now as will only risk getting into a bigger hole.

Cheers,
Ricky

Lol

Hey Ricky

You have to falow your own advice 

The most important thing is that the strategy win more than it loses.