PATTERN ATTACK®

[Ricky]

This strategy seems logical. Only way you can lose is by getting a shoe starting with BPPP or PBBB

cheers,
Ricky

I did some testing and This is a common occurrence the first hand is B and next 3 hands player and visa versa so this is not a rare event

cheers,
Ricky

[Andre Chass]

I did some testing and This is a common occurrence the first hand is B and next 3 hands player and visa versa so this is not a rare event

cheers,
Ricky

Hi Ricky

I'm testing the strategy and waiting for a Andy reply.

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andy

I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??

Please give more details. Thanks.

Hi Andy

Do you have the avarage of wins and losses of 1.000 shoes?

[AndyCasinoK]

Hi Andy

I see there are 1,000 shoes n the link that you posted. But there is not the average of wins and losses using this strategy.
If I understand, we should wait for a new shoe.
If the first hand is Banker, we bet 3 times on Banker
If the first hand is Player, we bet 3 times on the Player
What if the first hand is Tie? We do not bet and we should wait for another new shoe?
How long have you been using this strategy ??

Please give more details. Thanks.

Hello Andre 

I have just did the test myself with these generated baccarat shoes one by one  and in 200 shoe i am just looser on the 146 with
the 147 shoe.
Right now i don't use this strategy for the moment i am just doing some test to check if this is viable or not , i need to log
to my online casino to do more serious test analyzing this on real  baccarat live table , but if you can try to check this strategy (without betting ) too when you are  waiting for your pattern that can be cool
Yea exactly you have understand very well the strategy and when a Tie appear just ignore this shoe and wait for the next one
when you loose try to recover the lost with the next shoe in one step not like the Pattern Breaker in two steps 

But we can flat bet too with this strategy why not accepting the loss ?
1-1-1 or we can 1-1-2   if the strategy is viable why not betting big and leaving the casino for the day 

I don't know what do you think Rickee and Andre ?  Maybe i need to send a private message to Ignatus to do some test ?

[Andre Chass]

Hello Andre 

I have just did the test myself with these generated baccarat shoes one by one  and in 200 shoe i am just looser on the 146 with
the 147 shoe.
Right now i don't use this strategy for the moment i am just doing some test to check if this is viable or not , i need to log
to my online casino to do more serious test analyzing this on real  baccarat live table , but if you can try to check this strategy (without betting ) too when you are  waiting for your pattern that can be cool
Yea exactly you have understand very well the strategy and when a Tie appear just ignore this shoe and wait for the next one
when you loose try to recover the lost with the next shoe in one step not like the Pattern Breaker in two steps 

But we can flat bet too with this strategy why not accepting the loss ?
1-1-1 or we can 1-1-2   if the strategy is viable why not betting big and leaving the casino for the day 

I don't know what do you think Rickee and Andre ?  Maybe i need to send a private message to Ignatus to do some test ?

Andy

I'm doing some testes with real money n live baccarat and it's going pretty well. I'm using 1, 2, 4 progression.
I think betting big (hit and run) is a good idea.

I didn't understand  what do you mean above.

I'll try to analyze the 1000 shoes manually but it will take hours or days.

The strategy is working great until now.

[AndyCasinoK]

Andre i am very happy that it works for you for the moment.   
What i wanted to say is that for the first 200 shoes of this website : link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

I am only a looser on the Shoe 146-147  because when two shoes are not winner  in a row we got a loss  , and we are not able to recover the loss of the first shoe.   

Example :
Shoe 1 start " P " appear  and then B  B  B = L 

Shoe 2 start " B appear " and then P B = W  we have recover the lost 

_________

Shoe 3 start " P "  appear and then B B B = L 

Shoe 4 start " B appear and then P P P = L 

Double loss = Loosing session

First step  1 - 1 - 3   
 
Second step if we loose the first shoe then for the next we can bet  5 - 10 - 15  to recover the loss

... in the shoe 146 - 147 we have this situation of double loss 
But the system can be improve feel free to add more rules or remove rules and to add other progressions

Cheer

[andrebac]

Current Online play handshuffled Killing it with PA

Cheers
Ricky

ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17.               2nd.                (23%)
-9.                 3rd.                 (12%)
-4.   busted.                         ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:

1-2-4    +43
1-1-2.   +36
1-1-3.   +33
1-2-2.   +32
1-1-1.   +23

These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A

[andrebac]

Andre i am very happy that it works for you for the moment.   
What i wanted to say is that for the first 200 shoes of this website : link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

I am only a looser on the Shoe 146-147  because when two shoes are not winner  in a row we got a loss  , and we are not able to recover the loss of the first shoe.   

Example :
Shoe 1 start " P " appear  and then B  B  B = L 

Shoe 2 start " B appear " and then P B = W  we have recover the lost 

_________

Shoe 3 start " P "  appear and then B B B = L 

Shoe 4 start " B appear and then P P P = L 

Double loss = Loosing session

First step  1 - 1 - 3   
 
Second step if we loose the first shoe then for the next we can bet  5 - 10 - 15  to recover the loss

... in the shoe 146 - 147 we have this situation of double loss 
But the system can be improve feel free to add more rules or remove rules and to add other progressions

Cheer

By the law of figures, you should lose 1 time out of 8 (7 wins vs 1 loss)
back to back losses should appear 1 out 64 times
A

[AndyCasinoK]

Hi Andrebac   
thank you for your analysis

Ricky , Andre Chass , and AndreBac i have tried something new on real baccarat shoe permanence 
these shoes came from this website : link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10016.0

New rules : Flat Bet only  three times with 1 unit = 1-1-1  Following the result of the First  hand
Example : the Shoe start "B" appear we should now bet 3 times like this B B B 


here we go:

1 BPPBBBBPPPPPBBBBBTPBBBBPTPTPPBBBBBPPBPBB   = -1
TBTBBBBTBPBPPPPBTTBBBPBBPBBBBPBBTPBBPBPBTP

2 PPPPPBBBBTPPPPPBTPBBBBTPBBTBTPBPPPBBBPBB  = +2
PBBBPPPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTPBBPTBBPBPBBBPPPPPPPB

3 BBBBPTBBBPPBBBBBPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBBPBBPBBB  = +5
BBPPBBBPBBBPBBPBBTBPBPBPPPPPPBBBBBT

4 PBBBBPBPBBPTBBBBBPPTPTBBBPPPPBPBPBPPBTBPB = +2
BBBBPPPBPTBBBBBTPPPBBBBTBPPBBPPBBBBBPTPP

5 PPPPTPPBBPPBPBPTPBTBPBBBBBPPBBPPPBPBPP = + 5
TBPBPBBPTPPBBPBBBBPBPPPTPBPPBBBBBTBBBT

6 PBBBPBPBPTTPPPBBBBBPTPBBBBBBPBBTPPBBBP = + 2
BPPTPBBPBTPBBPBBBBPPPBTBPTPBPPBBBBTBBBP

7 TBPPBBBPBBBBPBBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBBPBPPPPPPB = Ignore this Tie
BBPBPPPBBBPPTTBBPBBPPBBPPBPPBPPBBBBPPBB

8 BBBBPPPBPPPPTPPPPPBBBTBPPBPTPBBBBBPPBBP  = +5
PPPBBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPBBPBBBPBBTBBT

9 PPBPTPBPPBBPPPPPPPPPPBPBPBBPPBPPPBPBBBBTB  = +6
BBPPBPPPBPPPBPPBTBPPPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBTBBB

10 PPBPPTBBPPBBPPPPBBTBPPPTPPPBPTBBBBPBBBB  = + 7
PPTPBTPPPBPPBPTTPPTPPBPPBTPBBBBBBPBTBPBB

11 PBBBBBBBPPPPBTPBTPPTBPPPBBPPBBBPPTBBPPBB = +4
BTPBBBBBBPPBPPTPPBBPBBBPPBPBBPBPBTPP

12 PBPPBPPPPBPBBPPPTBBPPBBPPPTPPPBPPBBTPBPPP = + 5
BPPPPPBBPBBBPPBBPPBBPPPBBPBBBBBPB

13 BTTPPPPPBPBPPBPBBTBPBTTPBBBTPPBPTPBTBBTBB = + 2
PBBPPPBPBPPPBPPPPBPPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPBBBP

14 BBPBPPTBBBBTBPPBBBBBPBPBPBBBTBPPPPBBBBPB = + 3
TPBPPPBBBPPBPPPPBBBPTBBBPBPBBBBPPPPPPBBB

15 BBBPPBPPPBTTPBPPBBPPBPBPPPBPPBPBPPBPBBBBP = +4
PBBBPBBBBBPPBPBPBBPBTBPBTBBBBBPBPPBBBPTB

16 PPPBBTBBPBBBBBPPPBPTPPBBBPPBBBPPPBPPBBPPP = +5
BPPPPTPTPPPBPPPBPBBPBPPPBBBBBBPBBBBBTB

17 BPBTBPPPPPBBBBPBPBBPPBPBBBPBPPBPPPBPBBPTP = +6
PBBBPBTBBBPTTTBBBBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBB

18 PPBPTTPTPPBPBBPBBBBPTBBBPTPPBTBBPBPBBBBPT = + 7
PPBBPPBBPBTPBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBP

19 PPTTPPBBPBTBPPTBBBPBBBBBBBPBPPBBPBBPTBPBP = +10
PBTBBBPPBPPPPTTPTTPTPBPPTTBTBPPPPBBBBPBP

20 BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBTTTTPPBBPTTPBPPBBBPBPBPPT = + 11
BPPBBBBTPTBBPPPBPPPPBPTPTBBPPBBBBBPPBPB

21 BTPPPBPPBPPPBPBTBBBBPBBTBPTBBBBBBBTPBPPPP = + 8
BBPPPPTBBTBPBTPPBPPPBBPBBBTBTBPPBBPPBB

22 PBBBPBPPPBBBTPPBPBBPBPPPPPPPBBBTPBBBBBPPP = + 5
PBBPBBBBPPPBPPBPBBPPBPBBBPPTBBPBBPPTBPBP

23 BPBPBPBPBBBBBBTBPBBPPPBPTBBBPPPPTBPPBPPTP = +4
PPPTPBBTPBPBPBPPBBPPTBBBBPTPBBPBBTTBBPBTB

24 PPPBBBPBBPBBBBTBBPBBPBPPBPPPBBPPBPPPBBBPB = + 5
BBPBPPPBBBTBBBTBBBPBB

25 PTBBPBPPPPBPPBBPTBPTBPBBPTPPBBPPPBPBPBPTTP = + 4
BBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBTBBBBPPPBBBBBBBPBBP


26 BBBBBPPBBPPPPPBBPTBBTPTPBPPPBPBPPPBPBPBBT = + 7
PPPPBPPBBBTPBPPPPPBBBPPPPBBPPPBPB

27 TTBBBBBTBPTBPBBPPPPBBPBBTPPPPBBTPBBTPBTPP = Ignore Tie
BPBPBBPPTBBBBBPPBPPBTPBTBBPPBPBBBPB

28 BBPBPPPBTBPPBPBPPPPBTTPPBBPBPTBBBPBBPPPBP = + 8
BPPBBBPBBPTBPBPPPPTBBBBBPPBTBBPTBPBBPPTBPT

29 BBPBBTPTPBBBPPBPPBBBTBBPBBPBBBBPPTPBPBBPP = + 9
PPPBPPBBTBPPPBPBPBBPBPBPBPBBPPBPPBPBPPP

30 PPBTBPPPPTBBBBTBPTBBPBPTTPBPPBBPBBBPBTBPB = + 8
PBPPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBBTPPBTPPBPBBBPBBBBPBB

31 PBBPBPTPPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBTPBPPPBPTPBBPBPBPPB = +7
BPBBBBTPPPBPTBPBPTBTBPPPPBPPBBPBBBPPT

32 TTBPPPBBBBPPPPPTTPPPBBPPBBBBBPPPPTTBTTBPPTP = Ignore Tie
PBBBPBTPBPBBPBPBPBPBTPBBPTBBBPTPPP

33 BBBBPTBBBBPPPTBBBBPBBBBBBPBPBPBTPPPPTPPBBP = +10
PTPBBBPBBBPBPBBPBBBBPBBTBPBTPPPPPPBBP

34 PPPBBBPPBBPPBBBBPBTBPPPBPBBPPPTPBTBBBBPBPBP = +11
BPPBPTBBBPBBPPBPPPPPBBPBBBB

35 BBPBBPBBBPPPBBTPBTPPBBBPPPBPBBBBBBBTPPPBT = + 12
BBBBPBPPBBBPBBTBPBBBBBBBPBBPPPBTBPBBPPB

36 PBBBBPTBBTPBPPBPBBPBPPPBPBPBPPBPPBBPPPPPPT = +9
BBBPBBBBBBPPBPPPBPBBBPBPPPBTBPTPBBTP

37 BPPPPPBPBBPBPBPPTPBBBPBPPPBBBPPPPBPBPBBBPT = +6
BBPPPBPBPPBTBPPPBPBPBPPBTBP

38 BTPBBPBPBBPPPPPTBBPBBBBBBPBPBBPTPPBPBPBPPP = + 7
BBBBBBBBPPPPBBBPPBPBBBPBPPPBBPTPTPBBT

39 BBTPBTPTPPBTBPBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPPT = + 8
PBPTPTBTBPBPPPPBBPPBBBBPPTBPPBPPBBPB

40 PPPBBBTBBTPBPBBTPPBPBPBBPBBPBPBBPBPBBPTPTP = + 9
PTPPPTBBBPPPBBTBBBBBBBBBBPBBBPPBTPPPPB

41 PBPPPBPTBBBBTPBPTTBBBPPBPBPPTBPPPBPPPBBBPP = + 10
BBBBPBBTPPPBPPPPBBTPBBPBBBBPBBBBPBBPPB

42 BPPBBBBBPPPBPBTPBBBTPBTPPTBBPBBBBPBTBPBPP = + 9
TTBTPBBPPBTBPPBBPBBBBPBTTPPPPBBBPPPBB

43 PBBPPPBBPPBBPPBPPBBPBBBPBBTBBBBBBPPPPPBBB = + 8
BPTBBBTPPTBBPPPBTBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBBP

44 BBBTPTPPBPPBTTBBPPTTBBPPBBPTPPBBTPBPBBPPP = + 9
PPTBPBPPBPPBBPPPPBPPBBPTPBTPBBBPPBBPBB

45 PPBTBPBPBPBBBPBBBTTPBBBBBPPBPPBPTPTTTPPBB = + 8
PPBPPPTBPTBBBPTPPPBBPPBPPPPPBBBB

46 PBBPPPPPBBBTTBPPPPPBPBBPBTPTPBBBBBPBTPPPP = + 7
BPPBTBPTBPBBBPBBBPPPBPPBPPTBPBPBPBBBPB

47 TBPPBBPBPTBBPBPBPBBPPBPPTPBPPPPPBPPBPBBBB = Ignore TIE
BPPBPPBBPPTBBBBPBBBTTPBPPPBBBPBBPBPTBBT

48 PPPPPBPPBBPPBBPPPBTPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBBTPBBPB = + 10
BBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBBPPBPPBBBPBBBTPTBPBPBBB

49 BPPBTPTBBBPPPTPTTBPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTBBBBPTBPP = + 9
BBBBPBBPTTPPPBPPBBPPTPPBBPPPPTPTPPTPPT

50 PBBPPBTBBPBTPBPBPPBPBPBPBBTTBBBBBBBBBPBBB =  + 8 
PBPBBBPBBBBPPPPPPBBTBPPPPPPPBBPPBPBPPTB 

Still in profit   + 8 i need more test but it's not too risky for the BR ahah

[valvo]

And

ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17.               2nd.                (23%)
-9.                 3rd.                 (12%)
-4.   busted.                         ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:

1-2-4    +43
1-1-2.   +36
1-1-3.   +33
1-2-2.   +32
1-1-1.   +23

These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A

Hi A
Are these results using Andres original post on page 1?

[Andre Chass]

ricky and Andre,
analyzing your data I got these conclusions:
with a winning rate of 18:1 PA is obviously a winner.
In this sample, out of 74 attacks, we win
-44 times at first attempt (60%)
-17.               2nd.                (23%)
-9.                 3rd.                 (12%)
-4.   busted.                         ( 5%)
you will notice that the "anomaly " is on the first attempt that has a higher winning rate, above avg of 50%.
I tried many progressions, playing each decision as long, neverending shoe.
The overall ratio of wins and losses is 60:40 and this is absolutely positive. Any prog come out as winner, in the end but the best stay the old 1-2-4.
For comparison:

1-2-4    +43
1-1-2.   +36
1-1-3.   +33
1-2-2.   +32
1-1-1.   +23

These is the math.
I noticed that the 1st attempt winnings sometimes come in waves; after a run of these ones, I suggest change slightly the prog to take advantage of winnings at 2nd and 3rd attempt.
A

Hi andrebac

Thank you for posting the results.

But I dont know which data you analyzed.
74 sessions, 70 wins and 4 losses. That's right?

60:40 What it means?

Can you be more specific?

Thanks

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andrebac   
thank you for your analysis

Ricky , Andre Chass , and AndreBac i have tried something new on real baccarat shoe permanence 
these shoes came from this website : link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10016.0

New rules : Flat Bet only  three times with 1 unit = 1-1-1  Following the result of the First  hand
Example : the Shoe start "B" appear we should now bet 3 times like this B B B 




Still in profit   + 8 i need more test but it's not too risky for the BR ahah

Hi Andy

I'm still testing the strategy and it's going pretty well.

I'm using 3 steps progression 1, 2, 1

It's hard to get 2 losses in a row.

I'm playing both strategies tracking 6 tables at the same time.

I'm thinking something else to improve the strategy.

I think the flatbetting 1, 1, 1 is not a good idea because you break even a lot.

And I realized most of the wins come from 1th and 2th step.

[AndyCasinoK]

Hi Andy

I'm still testing the strategy and it's going pretty well.

I'm using 3 steps progression 1, 2, 1

It's hard to get 2 losses in a row.

I'm playing both strategies tracking 6 tables at the same time.

I'm thinking something else to improve the strategy.

I think the flatbetting 1, 1, 1 is not a good idea because you break even a lot.

And I realized most of the wins come from 1th and 2th step.

Hi Andre

I am very happy and i'm impatient to know your thoughts about how to improve the strategy.
What do you mean by playing both strategy ? Are you talking about my private message about the BBP pattern ? 

[Andre Chass]

Hi Andre

I am very happy and i'm impatient to know your thoughts about how to improve the strategy.
What do you mean by playing both strategy ? Are you talking about my private message about the BBP pattern ? 

Andy

The first change is to use  3 step progression 1 ,2, 1 as I said before. Flatbetting is not a good idea. Well, Im still working on it trying to improve the strategy. But the original is ok until now.

Both strategies: Pattern Attack strategy and SOS strategy (start of shoe)... lol

I've tested BBP but I didn't have good results so it's better forget it.

[AndyCasinoK]

SOS Strategy sound very good haha nice name , please keep me updated about everything