Hit and Run System Players Are Like Vampires.

[The General]

I’m truly fascinated by the “hit and run” system players because they're basically like vampires!



1.  They gamble only in the short term and tell us that our math and basic probability doesn’t apply to them, since they don’t gamble in the long term. 
2.  Since they don’t gamble in the long term, they don’t live in the long term.  Consequently, they never really age.  They’re like vampires!  After all, if you only live a little bit at a time, and only exist in the short term, then you can live for a very very long time.  Maybe foreveRRRRR!. 
 
3.    Since basic probability doesn’t apply to them , they never run the risk of getting sick or falling. They’re also never in car accidents, so there’s no need for them to ever worry about having to wear a seat belt, or a motor cycle helmet.  After all, accidents only happen to people that live in the long term.  So accident statistics don’t apply to them.  They can even cross the street without having to look both ways!



4.  They’re time travelers.  They can travel both backwards and forward in time and can predict when bets are due to win!
5.  They never have to pay a mortgage payment, rent, a car payment, or car insurance, because all of that stuff is for the long term folks.  Duh!
6.  They can jump out of plane and never hit the ground. 


7.  Lastly, they can run dagum fast!  Sooo fast that there aiN’t no way dat the house edge is ever goNNa caTch em!  You may only catch a glimpse of them out of the corner of your eye! They’re there for a brief second, and then they hit and run like the wind, off to some secret place that enables them to return at just the right moment when it’s time to win again!

Logic and commonsense are out the window! 

-Real

[RouletteGhost]

mocking people who cause no harm disrupt forum integrity

you constantly (for example) mock and belittle notto and KTF.....you dont agree with it...you have stated why you do not agree with it..which is fine no problem there..so instead of letting it go you make threads on various forums about it

you just keep going and going and going

you have never used this forum for its intended purpose only to tell people what they are doing cant work

guys like notto never did a thing to you, they post their results and thats it

you cant handle it

you never have and never will use any sub section of this forum for what it is for so you should leave

you are so bothered, its funny actually....and sad...at the same time.....

[cht]

Does short term hit&run play give you a net positive expectation when the long term expectation is net negative ?

No.

The combined results of all your hit&run play will eventually converge with long term probability. It's math.

If the system play is a winner, the longer you play the winnings will increase. You should play the system continuously for as long as you can to win as much as possible.

Play your system with flat bet. The use of any progression betting has to be based on math reason - the higher the bet amount the higher probability of a win vv. Negative progression for loss recovery is another misleading proposition. The only condition for it to work is when the variance of your system play is limited - you have to provide proof.

[RouletteGhost]

The best comparison I have to you in the real world is:

- a dogs infected anal gland

- a liberal at a university

both equally annoying

[The General]

Ghost,

Have you noticed that for every one post I make that you will often make three to five???

And have you noticed that I don't resort to name calling?

Logic, common sense, and math don't care who you are or what your name is.  Don't take everything so personally.  Step back, and attempt to find a sense of humor in some posts rather than viewing them as some kind of personal attack. 

Best of luck,

The General.

[RouletteGhost]

no. i will keep bothering you.

[RouletteGhost]

hey remember when you were a moderator and edited posts like Mr J did?

[Turner]

And here we go....."I promise I'll be a good boy Steve" but thats not enough is it Caleb?

Im not calling you Real, or Dr Sir whatever whatever or The General or Xander or Snowman

Im calling you Caleb.

youve been good for a bit. A bit irritating, but OK, but thats not enough. You arnt getting enough reaction from that. It gives you no buzz.

So we step up a notch with a bit more insult and a few more stupid Gifs.

You are here to disrupt the forum, not to educate anyone.

Your self perceived success is just words. Mostly cut and paste.

I have set your watched higher

You will be moderated soon unless you go back to your promise to Steve to be a "Good Boy"

Can you hold back on a direct attack at me....the Moderator?

or is the impulse too strong.

[cht]

This blanket claim that ALL systems play is a automatic loser due to HE is inaccurate.

This is an example, I am not 100% certain.

I welcome anyone to provide the evidence that this Andre Chass system played with baccarat is a loser.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20164.0

There are systems play with net positive expectation, they aren't posted on forums.

This notion that cause and effect and/or wheel and ball AP with or without the use of roulette computer is the only way to win at roulette is inaccurate.

[The General]

This blanket claim that ALL systems play is a automatic loser due to HE is inaccurate.

This is an example, I am not 100% certain.

I welcome anyone to provide the evidence that this Andre Chass system played with baccarat is a loser.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20164.0

There are systems play with net positive expectation, they aren't posted on forums.

This notion that cause and effect and/or wheel and ball AP with or without the use of roulette computer is the only way to win at roulette is inaccurate.

According to RouletteGhost roulette systems like that don't work.
"Any and all methods will lose long term due to the house edge"-RouletteGhost

"No matter what you test long term it will fail. It is called the house edge and unfair payout"-RouletteGhost

I agree with Ghost.  Would you like to see proof?  I can provide it, provided that it doesn't upset you and provided that we can stick to the subject.

Best of luck,

-The General.

[The General]

Turner,

I haven't called you any names.  I only attack the message.

However...now that you mention it, you have said some rather unkind things about and directly to me.   I can handily point them out if you'd like, however I don't feel that it's worth the effort.  So what do you say we keep things more civil.

[Steve]

People should not be so offended by every post.

If a system player doesnt want to be told why their system wont work, then don't read the reasoning.

If a system player doesnt want to argue the logic, then use the "system players section" where APs and logical discussion of tests and math are basically forbidden.

For players willing to learn, even if the truth is inconvenient, pay close attention to what is being said.

Caleb and I are very different on some levels. But on some levels we see things the same way. One of our shared views is probably frustration at the stupidity of some system players, who bury their heads in sand and refuse to consider basic logic and math. And they think we (APs) have the problem.

For one thing, is it coincidence the entire professional gaming community acknowledges AP as legitimate threat to casinos, and approaches like repeaters to be garbage and ideal for a casino's revenue? There are very few AP forums, and they are much more quiet, because:

1. We already knows what does and doesnt work. And any testing is done in private, away from casino staff, and not on a public forum,

2. There are a lot more system players than APs (more losers than winners)

3. Most of us cant be bothered trying to explain the basics to people who dont care to learn

When we try and explain basic facts politely, we get attacked. People who dont like having their beliefs challenged, and they often take it personally. In response, the truth gets explained again, although this time with a bit of attitude. After all, you're only human and trying to help people - but they just don't want the help.

So the question is if a member has knowledge that will help people, but it is unwelcome, should the knowledge be shared? After all, it isnt appreciated. And it's certainly less appreciated if the knowledge comes with attitude.

I mean well with my explanations, although I'm human and can give some attitude too. It is in response to attacks, but what gets me frustrated more than anything is ignorance and people that just dont get it. Caleb gets attacked too, even when he's calmly explaining why something wont work. Watch carefully..... anyone who opposes someone's view tends to get attacked.

With regards to Caleb, dont be so touchy with a bit of attitude. Many of you behave towards him in a way that is not exactly perfect either.

Caleb knows, or should know where the line is, and has said he'll focus on rational discussion without being a complete ass.

Ultimately consider the message - what is being said. You might learn something. It does no good to immediately refute something without testing. Try to understand what is being said. And often a bit of humor can help the message sink in.

[cht]

According to RouletteGhost roulette systems like that don't work.
"Any and all methods will lose long term due to the house edge"-RouletteGhost

"No matter what you test long term it will fail. It is called the house edge and unfair payout"-RouletteGhost

I agree with Ghost. Would you like to see proof?  I can provide it, provided that it doesn't upset you and provided that we can stick to the subject.

Best of luck,

-The General.

I have asked on Andre's thread for anyone to show evidence, example play 1000++ games with live baccarat shoes that prove his system is a loser. If your proof is just some math formula, that's not the proof I look for, I can do the math.

My purpose is IF no one can produce this evidence, it is proof that systems play can win at gambling games.

I wait for this 1000++ games played with live baccarat shoes to prove Andre Chass Pattern Attack is a loser.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20164.msg196396;topicseen#msg196396

I don't see any reason to take offence, except for the belittling and name calling with this practice of blanket assumptions.

[RouletteGhost]

Turner,

I haven't called you any names.  I only attack the message.

However...now that you mention it, you have said some rather unkind things about and directly to me.   I can handily point them out if you'd like, however I don't feel that it's worth the effort.  So what do you say we keep things more civil.

WHOA

did he just say try and keep things civil?!

[RouletteGhost]

People should not be so offended by every post.

If a system player doesnt want to be told why their system wont work, then don't read the reasoning.

If a system player doesnt want to argue the logic, then use the "system players section" where APs and logical discussion of tests and math are basically forbidden.

For players willing to learn, even if the truth is inconvenient, pay close attention to what is being said.

Caleb and I are very different on some levels. But on some levels we see things the same way. One of our shared views is probably frustration at the stupidity of some system players, who bury their heads in sand and refuse to consider basic logic and math. And they think we (APs) have the problem.

For one thing, is it coincidence the entire professional gaming community acknowledges AP as legitimate threat to casinos, and approaches like repeaters to be garbage and ideal for a casino's revenue? There are very few AP forums, and they are much more quiet, because:

1. We already knows what does and doesnt work. And any testing is done in private, away from casino staff, and not on a public forum,

2. There are a lot more system players than APs (more losers than winners)

3. Most of us cant be bothered trying to explain the basics to people who dont care to learn

When we try and explain basic facts politely, we get attacked. People who dont like having their beliefs challenged, and they often take it personally. In response, the truth gets explained again, although this time with a bit of attitude. After all, you're only human and trying to help people - but they just don't want the help.

So the question is if a member has knowledge that will help people, but it is unwelcome, should the knowledge be shared? After all, it isnt appreciated. And it's certainly less appreciated if the knowledge comes with attitude.

I mean well with my explanations, although I'm human and can give some attitude too. It is in response to attacks, but what gets me frustrated more than anything is ignorance and people that just dont get it. Caleb gets attacked too, even when he's calmly explaining why something wont work. Watch carefully..... anyone who opposes someone's view tends to get attacked.

With regards to Caleb, dont be so touchy with a bit of attitude. Many of you behave towards him in a way that is not exactly perfect either.

Caleb knows, or should know where the line is, and has said he'll focus on rational discussion without being a complete ass.

Ultimately consider the message - what is being said. You might learn something. It does no good to immediately refute something without testing. Try to understand what is being said. And often a bit of humor can help the message sink in.

with all due respect, do you think he is here for rational discussion? LMAO

he created this thread to disrupt the forum...turner was not offended he just called him out on that fact

then caleb exhibits the Mr J victim complex and says "try and keep it civil"

PLEASE STOP I AM LAUGHING TOO HARD