“Biased” wheel players may win due to luck. Non existent, sort of like vampires

[psimoes]

Don't the casinos detect biased wheels only after a large number of spins? So what about the biases that can be detected visually and / or audibly by players? Those should require shorter samples for confirmation, and wheels could be exploited before maintainance, I think.

[Turner]

Don't the casinos detect biased wheels only after a large number of spins? So what about the biases that can be detected visually and / or audibly by players? Those should require shorter samples for confirmation, and wheels could be exploited before maintainance, I think.

Its all explained in Barnharts modern book "Beating the wheel"
Written 1997 

[psimoes]

Well they're beating wheels, not 'random', since Jagger more than a hundred years ago, so comparatively speaking it's quite recent...

[psimoes]

My nearest casino has all TCS and the auto detection skips a  number from time to time. Plus on a table that is not very busy and there are no winnings to pay , the dealer hurries up and spins the wheel before it has made a complete turn so the auto detect is not infalible. Pitbosses still have to write down the numbers on sheets of paper. It leads me to believe it's just marketing blurb not to be taken seriously.

[Steve]

Rg, i get what you're trying to do. But unfortunately your information is inaccurate. 

The wheel manufacturers are full of shit. Their glossy brochures and sales material arent accurate. Most wheels are not hard to beat one way or another. The real problem is avoiding detection.

Its actually much harder to create a wheel with truly random spins than it is for a player to have slightly accurate predictions, even with a rough technique.

Regarding bias, a large bias is not required. A -2.7% is small but can lose you tens of thousands. Card counters can make millions from a 2% edge. To a professional roulette player, 2% is a joke.

There are enough biased wheels to do well with, even today. But i still find the work no comparison to other methods, excluding computers.

One of the few things i disagree with caleb about is his preference of vb & bias. Even with visual or sound confirmation, bias can take a long time for a small edge.  Whereas with computers you can get a 80% within a few spins. And vb is a roundabout messy way to do what a computer does effortlessly. Biased wheels are common enough to still be viable, if using visual and sound confirmation. But its still a very hard slog compared to a computer that's mostly legal despite being forbidden by casinos. Illegal and forbidden are not the same.  Besides that, i find what caleb preaches is accurate. The people who wrote the site you mentioned are not experts.

Caleb may be a poser who has never won a cent. I don't know him beyond forums. He may be totally full of shit. But if we're judging based on knowledge alone, he's actually correct and like i said i agree with almost everything he says. Hes not the only one with good knowledge on forums. Its just that most people in forums are still stuck on rubbish like repeaters. None of it is opinion.  Theres only one reality i know of, and its rules regarding roulette are not that complicated.

[Roulettebeater]

Rg, i get what you're trying to do. But unfortunately your information is inaccurate. 

The wheel manufacturers are full of shit. Their glossy brochures and sales material arent accurate. Most wheels are not hard to beat one way or another. The real problem is avoiding detection.

Its actually much harder to create a wheel with truly random spins than it is for a player to have slightly accurate predictions, even with a rough technique.

Regarding bias, a large bias is not required. A -2.7% is small but can lose you tens of thousands. Card counters can make millions from a 2% edge. To a professional roulette player, 2% is a joke.

One of the few things i disagree with caleb about is his preference of vb & bias. Even with visual or sound confirmation, bias can take a long time for a small edge.  Whereas with computers you can get a 80% within a few spins. And vb is a roundabout messy way to do what a computer does effortlessly. Biased wheels are common enough to still be viable, if using visual and sound confirmation. But its still a very hard slog compared to a computer that's mostly legal despite being forbidden by casinos. Illegal and forbidden are not the same.  Besides that, i find what caleb preaches is accurate. The people who wrote the site you mentioned are not experts.

Caleb may be a poser who has never won a cent. I don't know him beyond forums. He may be totally full of shit. But if we're judging based on knowledge alone, he's actually correct and like i said i agree worth almost everything he says. None of it is opinion.  Theres only one reality i know of, and its rules regarding roulette are not that complicated.

Exactly !!!!!

The real problem is to avoid detection !

But how ?

[RouletteGhost]

You guys are nuts

You don’t have to avoid detection

If in fact the wheel was biased you could win and they would just think you we’re lucky that day

The avoid detection thing is bs

[Steve]

Rg sorry you're incorrect. Casino surveillance is very focused on detection of consistent winners. They know their games are vulnerable.

If it weren't for casino surveillance, i could literally earn $1m+ per session. But because of casino surveillance we're limited to a small fraction.

Its not hard to avoid detection if you win just a few thousand. Its easy in average casinos. But winning more requires ideal conditions and careful planning.

[Roulettebeater]

Rg, your statement is nut!

Casino will not let you keep winning all the time, you can be lucky one, two,three times but not every day !

The point is still critical to AP players, How to avoid detection ?

[Lucky7Red]

Exactly!!
Put your cheating device in fancy pants to avoid detection.

[Roulettebeater]

Exactly!!
Put your cheating device in fancy pants to avoid detection.

Good tip but old !

Some guys tried it, they even wore "slips" instead of pants, but they got detected

-:)

[Steve]

Exactly!!
Put your cheating device in fancy pants to avoid detection.

Avoiding detection has nothing to do with my hardware. A player could be using my hybrid computer right in front of you and you wouldn't have any idea.  The camera has a pinhole lens, and doesn't even need to be at the table. The standard lens alone has enough zoom to be 20m from the wheel.

You could be strip searched and still they'd find nothing unusual. They could even check every part of the phone and still not find anything suspicious.

Avoiding detection is not complicated but there are many parts to it. Its not difficult unless you try winning too much too soon for your target casino

[Steve]

.. But still we never break laws.  We could easily but we don't. There are plenty of legal jurisdictions.

[Roulettebeater]

Avoiding detection has nothing to do with my hardware. A player could be using my hybrid computer right in front of you and you wouldn't have any idea.  The camera has a pinhole lens, and doesn't even need to be at the table. The standard lens alone has enough zoom to be 20m from the wheel.

You could be strip searched and still they'd find nothing unusual. They could even check every part of the phone and still not find anything suspicious.

Avoiding detection is not complicated but there are many parts to it. Its not difficult unless you try winning too much too soon for your target casino

two points :

1- casino are forbidding users to use their phone, so fancy about a computer device !

2- how much is too much ?
Do u think 300 a day net profit is Headed to banning ?

[RouletteGhost]

I am not the one that is wrong

Avoid detection? Paranoid?

Listen, I will agree you can’t go in and make 20 grand a day

Have to be smart

Few thousand here and there and you won’t be “detected”

If you are really smart you’d have some losing days.