“Biased” wheel players may win due to luck. Non existent, sort of like vampires

[RouletteGhost]

His response is by antagonizing people who attack him.

false.

he has been making threads for months to antagonize turbogenius (who is a forum saint) and guys like notto/winkel for no reason and in response to nothing...i know you have read GF, so unless you are in denial...

maybe you havent read whats been going on 

[Steve]

their "bias" can simply be normal wheel variance

True. When you do bias analysis, there's always the chance it's variance. That's the same when you test a system and profit. You can still profit with a losing system. I did for about a year.

Simply the more data you have, the more assured you are. Just like any CALCULATED INVESTMENT.

But modern bias analysis involves visual and sound observation. Probably the most common bias is caused by the colored plastic coming loose from the glue. It makes a popping sound instead of a ding sound when the ball hits such pockets. It will eventually happen on any wheel with colored pockets. But casinos will detect that bias relatively easily.

A bias needs to be detected and exploited before the casino detects it. So any new, moved or serviced wheel presents a new opportunity. For example, maybe the shaft got bent when they put the wheel back together, making the rotor wobble a bit. Casino software wont detect that for a a while, but a modern bias player may.

he has been making threads for months to antagonize turbogenius (who is a forum saint) and guys like notto/winkel for no reason and in response to nothing...i know you have read GF, so unless you are in denial...

Turbo has been misleading people. Caleb has every right to challenge Turbo. But people cant so easily dismiss what he says by saying "you're just selling something"...

On that note, Turbo is a nice guy. I have nothing against him besides misleading people, partly unintentionally. But he still ought to know better. I don't take any pleasure in refuting his claims.

[cht]

false.

he has been making threads for months to antagonize turbogenius (who is a forum saint) and guys like notto/winkel for no reason and in response to nothing...i know you have read GF, so unless you are in denial...

maybe you havent read whats been going on 

Lets face it, steve allows him to troll system threads with his standard template.

Turner recognise it, threatens action, fall short of execution. Beholden to the owner.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20180.msg196356#msg196356

[RouletteGhost]

Lets face it, steve allows him to troll system threads with his standard template.

Turner recognise it, threatens action, fall short of execution. Beholden to the owner.

agreed

cant blame turner...turner does a great job being an unbiased moderator steve is lucky to have him....

the general disrupts threads then calls out turner...meanwhile its all he does...victim complex, like mr j

[RouletteGhost]

not easy playing forum victim and looking for biased wheels that do not exist

[RouletteGhost]

the idea that you can observe a few thousand spins and claim a bias is utterly asinine



these are the same people that cry about variance day in and day out



the "BIAS" after 7 thousand spins can be normal fluctuations, OR JUST PLAIN CHANCE...

unless he clocks a million spins?



remember, a statistically relevant number of spins is necessary....not a small sample size 

[Turner]

No.  By the way, Ghost created this thread, not us. 

You don't want to chop up these forums too much as it's distracting.  Really the only thing people look at is the list of recent topics.  Nobody really goes to the sections to find the topics.  If they do it's because the topic was recent or they're  using the search function to find an old post. 
Subsections are more of a convenience for admin and moderation than it actually is for the users/posters.  Besides, most of the posters these days are younger people that use cellphones rather than desktop or lap tops.  If you create subsections they're never going to go there if they have to open additional windows or wait for additional sections to load.  Ideally, less is more when it comes to message boards, at least that has been my experience running them. 

More important, you dont answer questions directed at other people.

Here is a clue if you are confused

If I quote you...then I am inviting you to answer.

It may start, Caleb...
If it does, then its you I want to reply.

I am not in the slightest bit interested in your view on my question to Steve..

That would not have had Steves quote in it if I was.

Hope that helps

[The General]

Sorry Turner,

I thought it was a public message board, and I was just offering my ten cents.

All is well.

[RouletteGhost]

More important, you dont answer questions directed at other people.

Here is a clue if you are confused

If I quote you...then I am inviting you to answer.

It may start, Caleb...
If it does, then its you I want to reply.

I am not in the slightest bit interested in your view on my question to Steve..

That would not have had Steves quote in it if I was.

Hope that helps

it is clear to see he is trying to "school" you to look like a good school boy to steve....we see it, no worries......

imagine HIM explaining how to act on a forum

how fooking pathetic to read what he wrote to you

by the way, i love how he says "us"

[Turner]

Turner recognise it, threatens action, fall short of execution. Beholden to the owner.

CHT
I get your concern, but at the end of the day, I am trying to help Steve out by being a Mod.

He has the final word. I understand that.

He backs me up many times and I am happy with the situation

My view is just that. My view. It may not be the forum owners view.

[RouletteGhost]

know thy enemy

[cht]

CHT
I get your concern, but at the end of the day, I am trying to help Steve out by being a Mod.

He has the final word. I understand that.

He backs me up many times and I am happy with the situation

My view is just that. My view. It may not be the forum owners view.

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem. You are the good guy.

We can see you are not part of...

So long as you are comfortable and happy.

Same with Bayes. I was wrong about him.

[The General]

Ok, back on subject:

Ghost,

Wheel bias is a very complex subject and in case you didn't notice, it's often guarded by disinformation, and diversion. 
Yes there are some still some operating just as there are still VB players.  I just happen to do both, it's not big secret.  But you'll be hard pressed to find in depth conversations on the closely guarded secrets of how to find the wheels, and which defects in particular it is that people are looking for.  It's not because of just me, but others as well.  It's a fabulous conspiracy I know, but that's just the way it is with some advantage players.

Wheel bias is not easy.  It's not something that inexperienced players should expect to instantly be able to do.  Most of the people doing it these days are insiders.  People with in depth experience working on the wheels, reviewing data downloads/reports, refurbishers, or wheel owners.  It's not shocker that many bias players are also vb players because most vb players own the equipment and get to know the defects along the way.  (Besides it doesn't look good to be betting after the ball is spun on every spin so many mix both) 

If you're looking to find wheel bias, I suppose the easiest way for a novice to get started  would be to acquire an intro book written by Barnhart called, "Beating The Wheel," and along the way learn about statistics and relevant testing methods such as chi square and standard deviation testing.  Also get a roulette ball.  However...don't waste your time by going out and buying a wheel because you're not going to know what to do with it and you're just going to end up with a really expensive piece of furniture/desk weight.

You were spot on when you said that winning on a biased wheel wasn't easy, because it's not.  I could tell most people on the forum exactly on which numbers to bet, but they'd still lose.  There's more to playing one than just knowing that one is biased.   Knowledge of probability of ruin, variance, and playing conditions needed are a big part of it.  Unfortunately this is the kind of stuff that you just don't learn in school or on a systems forum.

Best of luck,

The General.

By the way, the guy shaking his head is Mike from "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul."  Both are fabulous TV series worth watching.  A new season of Better Call Saul starts later this year!

[Turner]

I thought it was a public message board, and I was just offering my ten cents

rather like when you told me to keep politics out and stop messing up posts

sorry, I thought it was a public message board

[RouletteGhost]

ive read about it

you see, i dont speak without reading

i read a university study talking about wheels that are not level leading to a bias

resorts world has dozens of airball wheels..surely all are not level...this begs the question: is airball real?