How casino views these two players ?

[Roulettebeater]

General

Can you say your opinion on the suggestion from the ex member Steven on how to avoid detection ?

[The General]

General

Can you say your opinion on the suggestion from the ex member Steven on how to avoid detection ?

I don't know who Steven is and what it is that he posted.

If you want to avoid detection within the casino..

1. Don't use a players card if you're trying to milk an opportunity.
2. If you must use a players card, squirrel chips, buy in but periodically move the value chips to your pockets. 
3. Cash wins out gradually.  Use others to help you cash out if you're going to the window.  Try to use the cash out machines when possible.
4. Facial recognition is a joke.  It doesn't work much better than chance.  Don't worry about it.  It's pit and dealers that recognize you more often than not, and not facial recognition.  Even the better cameras and facial recognition can easily be tricked.
5. Avoid looking upward at bottle neck points.  Not really because of facial recognition, but because these areas are often recorded and observed more.  For example when you first enter the casino, coming up or down and escalator...keep your head down!  Stay close to the walls of the casino where the slots are and away from the tables when walking through the casino.  Stay off the main aisle.  (Even though there are cameras everywhere, it doesn't mean that they work or that anyone's looking.)

[RouletteGhost]

the idea of being "detected" and booted is hog wash

resorts world casino is all airball wheels

they can give a shit less if you win

[The General]

Roulettebeater.

Here's an excellent thread that you might want to follow.  link:s://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/gambling-with-an-edge/30538-bob-nersesian-guest-again/#post640774

The thread is questions for Bob Nersesian.  Bob is a gaming attorney that represents various AP players.  He also has experience dealing with the sticky stuff, like civil forfeiture (driving with large sums of cash to various AP destination etc) backrooming, bannings, tresspassing acts, etc...  He's periodically a guest on the pod cast run by Richard Munchkin and Bob Dancer.  link:://:.richardmunchkin.com/ 

The podcast is excellent, and this last week Bob was again a guest.  The podcast is called, "Gambling With An Edge."

[cht]

I don't know who Steven is and what it is that he posted.

If you want to avoid detection within the casino..

1. Don't use a players card if you're trying to milk an opportunity.
2. If you must use a players card, squirrel chips, buy in but periodically move the value chips to your pockets. 
3. Cash wins out gradually.  Use others to help you cash out if you're going to the window.  Try to use the cash out machines when possible.
4. Facial recognition is a joke.  It doesn't work much better than chance.  Don't worry about it.  It's pit and dealers that recognize you more often than not, and not facial recognition.  Even the better cameras and facial recognition can easily be tricked.
5. Avoid looking upward at bottle neck points.  Not really because of facial recognition, but because these areas are often recorded and observed more.  For example when you first enter the casino, coming up or down and escalator...keep your head down!  Stay close to the walls of the casino where the slots are and away from the tables when walking through the casino.  Stay off the main aisle.  (Even though there are cameras everywhere, it doesn't mean that they work or that anyone's looking.)
6. Be a standing player wherever possible.
7. Play games that's known to offer the player no edge, eg. Baccarat
8. Play below the "monitored" bet size.
9. Mingle with the bunch of regular losers.
10. Best when your bet is with the crowd.

[nottophammer]

Stay close to the walls of the casino

I can see you now General Like a little rat, scurrying around the edge of the casino

[Roulettebeater]

You guys are nuts
I asked a clear question and nobody gave me an answer:


Do you think the idea of Steven is viable and can work ?

[jekhb76]

Player1:

Plays every day and makes every day $200 profit.



Player2:

Plays only one day in the week and makes $1400 profit.


How does the casino view these two players and which one is considered high risk for the casino ?

Player one Will be getting eyes looking down on him after a few weeks, i've been there, done that, still doin' it 

Player two would also Have problems with the staf once he wins to much over a periode of Time.

I once was banned for 3 months, because i won All the Time. They thought i was cheating of some sort.

Like i say in the other thread, when i start my afternoon or Evening at my local BM i First Make sure that i Have reached my profit goal plus a little More. Then Just before i leave the casino, i Always Make sure that i lose that little more and looking sad when i leave  (won ex. 250 euro - 100 euro was my target. so i Make sure i lose that 150 euro) that way they Have the feeling that i Have lost again, but in reality i Have reached my daily goal and too â,¬100+ from them. But the only thing they remember is my sad face and that i Have lost again. Also, i don't play at the same casino everyday. I Have a few in the neibourhood that i can visit. Most of the Time i go 1 Time a week to the same casino, to avoid detection. And i don't use a playercard imo.

[Roulettebeater]

Player one Will be getting eyes looking down on him after a few weeks, i've been there, done that, still doin' it 

Player two would also Have problems with the staf once he wins to much over a periode of Time.

I once was banned for 3 months, because i won All the Time. They thought i was cheating of some sort.

Like i say in the other thread, when i start my afternoon or Evening at my local BM i First Make sure that i Have reached my profit goal plus a little More. Then Just before i leave the casino, i Always Make sure that i lose that little more and looking sad when i leave  (won ex. 250 euro - 100 euro was my target. so i Make sure i lose that 150 euro) that way they Have the feeling that i Have lost again, but in reality i Have reached my daily goal and too â,¬100+ from them. But the only thing they remember is my sad face and that i Have lost again. Also, i don't play at the same casino everyday. I Have a few in the neibourhood that i can visit. Most of the Time i go 1 Time a week to the same casino, to avoid detection. And i don't use a playercard imo.

Losers learn from gambling all bad habits, like being greedy, selfish, fat, lazy, lol


Winners learn from gambling some good habits, like being patient, disciplined, slim, not being fat, not being lazy




Btw, do you think the suggestion from
Steven can work. ?

[jekhb76]

There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".

That guy came up with a nice idea, it still pops up in my head, he said that if you want to avoid detection, supposing that you have a winner System, the idea is simple, all what you have to do is to collect profits and then place a losing bet on football match (bet for the weak team) and cover the favourable team on betfair, by doing so you are transfering your funds smoothly out the casino, do. you think something like that would work long term ? Will betfair payout without problems?

Don't if this is any Different that what i do. But i remeber that i got also a ban in online play when i First started to win last year, that the argument they gave, was that i was winning in a Pace way and that to win money i Have to return some also. I was constant winning, they don't like that. Either way is was playing with cents. But was winning All the Time and they said it now it was 1 cent betting, but there could come a Time that i play with higher stake and that it would cost them alot of money . You must realize, they are Running a business, not a chairityfund. Same Goes with BM casino's strust me, if i would play 7 days a week and would win a few thousand euro's every night, by the End of the month i would not be welcome anymore. The way Steven did it, is the solution. But you could stay with roulette . Win some, then lose some and then quit isbthe way to go. But Always win enough so that you leave in profit even the lose the last sessions. This is what i do everyday. But in bm casino, Like i expllained.

[Roulettebeater]

Well, the idea itself is interesting, since you betting against other players at betfair and not against betfair, this way you keep milking the casino and you can transfer your profits to betfair where you bet against other players, you should be sure that your bet on betfair is gonna win, otherwise you will end up with more money in your account at the casino where you winning, I am at the moment without any experience with betfair and whether they reliable, that's why I asked if someone has more information in this regards.


Thx

[jekhb76]

Well, the idea itself is interesting, since you betting against other players at betfair and not against betfair, this way you keep milking the casino and you can transfer your profits to betfair where you bet against other players, you should be sure that your bet on betfair is gonna win, otherwise you will end up with more money in your account at the casino where you winning, I am at the moment without any experience with betfair and whether they reliable, that's why I asked if someone has more information in this regards.


Thx

Understand.
But i don't Have any Experience with betfair either. I play with the same online casino now for over 5 years, if i want to play online. And never had any problems with them. So i don't change to another any Time soon

[Roulettebeater]

Wow!
5 years, same casino and still able to make profit ?

May I ask you the name of the casino ?

Thx

[jekhb76]

Wow!
5 years, same casino and still able to make profit ?

May I ask you the name of the casino ?

Thx

Sure.
:.oranjecasino.com
Cheers.
Ed.

[Roulettebeater]

Sure.
:.oranjecasino.com
Cheers.
Ed.

Thx
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