If it does work flat betting

[The General]

returning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying.

So?  VB players easily adapt to changing wheel speeds.  If the video feed isn't good enough, then there can be a problem if the wheel speed is changing after the ball has been spun.  In person, it's easy to adapt to it.  But online, the image quality and streaming just isn't good enough.   

returning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying, and sometimes they run extremly fast!

What do you mean when you say that they run extremely fast?  Do you mean that they spin fast or that they produce a lot of spins per hour?  If so, then that's good!  The faster the game the better.  Most live games run too slowly.

Or are you referring to the speed of the rotor?
On the ones that I have viewed the rotor spins very very slowly.  Even the fastest rotors are still slower than what I see in BM casinos.

Video issues can be almost unnoticeable and still be a problem.

I have Google fiber, 1000 mega bits per second...but I have yet to see an online casino that didn't have video problems with missing frames in the video, hesitation, etc... So I don't believe that a 30% edge is possible online, until someone can prove me wrong by providing a link to an online casino with a good enough video feed.

The next issue is the scatter.  The scatter on most online wheels is pretty weak.  Definitely too weak to yield a 30% edge.  Again, if someone thinks that they can prove me wrong then provide a link to an online casino wheel that has acceptable scatter and provide a graph of the scatter profile.

[denzie]

General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching

[The General]

General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching

No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online.  Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.

[denzie]

No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online.  Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.

No no not for online ....

[jekhb76]

No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online.  Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.

No landbased casino's.

[cht]

General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching

Denzie, eye on the wheel and ball.

Have you not improved since you started ?

VB is not difficult to get edge of 30+%. Learn the real VB, it's not complicated that people make it out to be.

Tip about VB posted online - those that sound logical and look like genuine VB is bs. Truth is those are theoretical that appeal to the logical mind, it never work with real casino playing conditions that's actually very chaotic. Anyone can write logical bs.

Real VB is simple, effective and produces the results in actual chaotic playing conditions, not to appeal to theory just to satisfy the logical mind.

No one will teach the real VB skill, not even at a price. You work alone or with family members. Hint like this tip yes, that's all.

The real problem is how to overcome the short time window from spin to nmb.

The player can beat the wheel with 50% edge but it's useless when that betting window is small or non-existant.

In b&m casino it is hard to find large enough betting window.

This means even if you have acquired VB skills you still can't make money. There is limited to no opportunity for you to place your bets.

When you get around this stumbling block only then you can use VB to make money.

Take time to look at the games played in b&m casino, see how many successful bets placed after spin ?

Few bets placed after nmb, successful bets almost none.

[The General]

CHT,

Have you played any types of vb in the past?  As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?

If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?

I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb.  Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either?  I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK?  (I've heard that the UK is a tougher zone to effectively play.)

[Winner]

CHT,

Have you played any types of vb in the past?  As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?

If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?

I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb.  Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either?  I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK?  (I've heard that the UK is a tougher zone to effectively play.)

I have have played with this over the years  but for me it's not consistent enough  to use .you have dealer changes that speed up the rotor and throw the ball slow/ fast   There were days I thought I was in culinary arts tossing salads . And then try to put your bets down before they call NMB.  Oh ya and then get through all the smelly people that's a lot of fun.Not

[cht]

CHT,

Have you played any types of vb in the past?  As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?

If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?

I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb.  Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either?  I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK?

For B&M casino.

Electronic table games with real dealer.

How many machines that allow bets after spin ?

17 machines altogether, only one machine that has betting window between 5-10seconds depending on dealer how early they start the spin.

Manual tables.

The old section, the croupiers allow a bit of time, say 5 -10seconds after spin at most if player push a little.

The new wing, the croupiers call nmb immediately after spin as the standard protocol they learn from their training classes.

So, isn't the opportunity to place bets after spin is very limited ?

What about security surveillance that sees you win big for bets placed after spin ? Those guys spot you easily.

VB or rc is no different that's not the problem, we face the same problematic stumbling block that is the casino security.

So we search around the world for lax protocol. Isn't it ?

[The General]

Are you referring to your experiences in the UK?

[Bigbroben]

Here General-man,

just a teaser for you.  120 spins, flat bet.

Seems that as soon as I try something new, it starts good...  I really hope I'll figure something out.

I have to concentrate on methods, cuz Vb won't be for me in a while...

Q:
I say, the better you get with vb, the narrower the bet?  From half the wheel to a third when better?  betting voisins, orphelins and so on?  Straight ups?
Probably no red/black...

Enjoy..

[jekhb76]

Here General-man,

just a teaser for you.  120 spins, flat bet.

Seems that as soon as I try something new, it starts good...  I really hope I'll figure something out.

I have to concentrate on methods, cuz Vb won't be for me in a while...

Q:
I say, the better you get with vb, the narrower the bet?  From half the wheel to a third when better?  betting voisins, orphelins and so on?  Straight ups?
Probably no red/black...

Enjoy..

What did you do, if i May ask?

[Bigbroben]

What did you do, if i May ask?

I'll speak in mystery... just like Vaddis and TG!  (not saying I have the same...)

2 words: bunches, backward.

[jekhb76]

I'll speak in mystery... just like Vaddis and TG!  (not saying I have the same...)

2 words: bunches, backward.

Ok, then thank you for input

[Bigbroben]

It's a starting line that goes backward.

A unit on all nrs behind until you encounter a nr that has one on it.
Spin.  If no hit, continue: add new nr, and add units on further previous uniques until a second nr with a unit on it.

Cuz often a nr appears that was 4-5 spins earlier than your starting point.

Why do we bet 1 unit on 1 nr for a start?  We want a 35:1 return and hope for luck.
Why do we bet 1 unit on 2 nr after?  We want a 17:1 return and hope for luck.

And then at some point we've spent 36 units hoping for a better than 1:1 return.  Then we might continue and spend 120 units to get a hit (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15...)

You'll for sure not get the 35:1 return but you'll lose less when a nr comes when betting 15 nrs, cuz you'll have bet, example, 6nrs, then 12, then 15, so spent 33 and gained 36, instead of spending 120.

This was a first trial, testing and hoping for a recovery right now, I'll see if it comes back, otherwise I'll change strategy...