Turbo Genius system reverse-engineered

[Winner]

This is goofy.  It's like starting a fund raiser to see if ice melts.



If anyone wants to know the system I can tell you.  It's not rocket science, it doesn't require reverse engineering.

Here you go.

1.Start betting on every number that has hit twice.
2.Add them as they hit. 
3.Continue until you have four or five numbers.
4.Increase your bets on the numbers as you lose. (Chase your losses.)  The progression can be tweaked anyway you like.

The betting horizon is the players choice.  There's really no ideal short term horizon.  They're all going to perform about the same.
On an RNG/random game you should expect to overtime inevitably lose at the house edge.

Good luck.
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How would you play?

[The General]

How would you play?

As an ordinary gambler or as a professional?




(As an ordinary gambler)Improving Turbo's repeater (hot number method) on the live wheel for Euro players that want to gamble a bit.

1. Keep a subset of numbers for each spin direction.  This means you'll have one set of numbers for clockwise, and one set for counter clockwise spins.
2. Play as long as you can, provided that the wheel speeds and ball being used are similar. 
3. Increase bets as you win, not as you lose.  This way you can start at a higher unit bet and work down if losing, and up if winning...  or...If you want to make it wild ride, and take a higher risk shot... play the reverse Labby on the numbers.
4. When playing conditions change dramatically restart your tracking or wait for the conditions that were similar to your previous conditions to return.
5. Pay special attention to the numbers that hit because the ball short cut the center of the wheel to reach them.  Also pay special attention to the numbers that hit because the ball chased the number tape for a full revolution before falling in and landing.  Give these hot numbers priority over others.
6.  Play the dealers that spin the rotor (wheel) at a higher rate of speed.  Avoid slow rotors.

[jekhb76]

This is goofy.  It's like starting a fund raiser to see if ice melts.



If anyone wants to know the system I can tell you.  It's not rocket science, it doesn't require reverse engineering.

Here you go.

1.Start betting on every number that has hit twice.
2.Add them as they hit. 
3.Continue until you have four or five numbers.
4.Increase your bets on the numbers as you lose. (Chase your losses.)  The progression can be tweaked anyway you like.

The betting horizon is the players choice.  There's really no ideal short term horizon.  They're all going to perform about the same.
On an RNG/random game you should expect to overtime inevitably lose at the house edge.

Good luck.

Increase the bets on the numbers as you lose? Don't think that's a good idea.
There is More to it then that, it must be. Otherwise if we play like that you can Have 60+ spins before a hit, don't think we want that.

[The General]

Increase the bets on the numbers as you lose? Don't think that's a good idea.
There is More to it then that, it must be. Otherwise if we play like that you can Have 60+ spins before a hit, don't think we want that.

60 spins without a hit?  So?
Like I said, you can change the betting horizons around as much as you'd like, but it's not going to change much.

What you really need to do is to track up into the thousands of spins before you start finding fruit.

Increasing the bets on the numbers as they lose is what he does for the progression.

[jekhb76]

60 spins without a hit?  So?
Like I said, you can change the betting horizons around as much as you'd like, but it's not going to change much.

What you really need to do is to track up into the thousands of spins before you start finding fruit.

Increasing the bets on the numbers as they lose is what he does for the progression.

No, he is increasing the bets on numbers that get hit, not the other way around. He is playing the Hot numbers, not the cold ones. He bets More on 3s then on 2s and much much More on 4s and 5s. That's a possitive progression if you ask me.
But i can't get it to win everytime. That's the difference. According to Turbo, he said he can't lose. That one i can't understand.

[The General]

I didn't say that he was increasing the bets on the cold ones.

[denzie]

But i can't get it to win everytime.

Out of 10 sessions...how many you win ?

I cant win them all. But enough to end in profit as my wingoal is a full br (so i not stop with first profit)

[jekhb76]

I didn't say that he was increasing the bets on the cold ones.

Sorry my fault, i ment raise when a number loses. But he is raising when a number wins.

[The General]

Out of 10 sessions...how many you win ?

I cant win them all. But enough to end in profit as my wingoal is a full br (so i not stop with first profit)

My suggestions when testing. (These do not necessarily apply to when you are playing.) 

1. Ideally, you need to try and stop the concept of sessions when testing.  It leads to unintentional curve fitting.  If you resort to ending a session on a profit, then it's very easy to end most sessions on a profit by looking forwards and backwards in the data.
2. "Wingoals" are also curve fitting.  Why is there a "wingoal?"  Isn't your goal to win as much as possible?

In order to correctly test:

1. Remove the concept of session.  Test 10k to 100k trials at a time.  Just set your betting horizon to be whatever you want it to be, and keep the simulation running until you have a relevant number of trials.
2. There is no win goal.  At the end of the session test to see if the amount won was statistically relevant.

If the system doesn't work, then moneymanagement can't turn it into a long term winner.  It doesn't matter how you set your wingoals, it doesn't matter how long your sessions are or how good your gaming discipline is when playing.

Again, these suggestions are for when you ARE TESTING, not necessarily when you are playing.

[jekhb76]

Out of 10 sessions...how many you win ?

I cant win them all. But enough to end in profit as my wingoal is a full br (so i not stop with first profit)

Well i Always End my session when i'm around +100 euro and Have a stop/loss of 1250. Out of the ten sessions i reach my daily goal 9/10 Times. But it takes longer to See the larger Picture. Last 100 Games i lost 3 sessions. To me that's still a good thing.
3700 euro lost, 10.000/12500 win.
Over 3 monts that is.

[The General]

Jekhb76,

Anytime you want to run simulations on this using my simulator I can demo it for you.
I'd have to do it on Skype though.

[jekhb76]

My suggestions when testing. (These do not necessarily apply to when you are playing.) 

1. Ideally, you need to try and stop the concept of sessions when testing.  It leads to unintentional curve fitting.  If you resort to ending a session on a profit, then it's very easy to end most sessions on a profit by looking forwards and backwards in the data.
2. "Wingoals" are also curve fitting.  Why is there a "wingoal?"  Isn't your goal to win as much as possible?

In order to correctly test:

1. Remove the concept of session.  Test 10k to 100k trials at a time.  Just set your betting horizon to be whatever you want it to be, and keep the simulation running until you have a relevant number of trials.
2. There is no win goal.  At the end of the session test to see if the amount won was statistically relevant.

If the system doesn't work, then moneymanagement can't turn it into a long term winner.  It doesn't matter how you set your wingoals, it doesn't matter how long your sessions are or how good your gaming discipline is when playing.

Again, these suggestions are for when you ARE TESTING, not necessarily when you are playing.

I understand what you are saying, but i'm not testing, i'm playing this everyday for the last 9 monts. And i feel comfortabele with my daily wingoal. Maybe not the way how everyone should play, but i feel Fine with the way i play, isn't that the Most important thing? Sure i can lose the very next session and the 3 sessions after that, you'll never know. Well atleast i don't know. Turbo doesn't Have to worry about this , because he wins All the Time.

[The General]

Well then, I'm glad it's working out for you. 

[jekhb76]

Jekhb76,

Anytime you want to run simulations on this using my simulator I can demo it for you.
I'd have to do it on Skype though.

Thank you, buy why should i? I know i play with Fire, but after 9 months and More then 20.000 euro (casino's money) and i never ever played with money i can't affort to play with, what's the problem. If i lost everything tomorrow, well i did Have a blast the last 9 months. Nice vacations, Nice clothes, spoiled my wife and kids. And when i should lose All, i Just start again with 50 euro and playing 0.01 cents again.

[denzie]

Turbo doesn't Have to worry about this , because he wins All the Time.

He does over time. Just look his graph on the other forum. He had a dd for around----> 1000 <---- spins. Theres no way thats a win every time in my book.