The Holy Truth

[Roulettebeater]

Great answer I learned a lot on that

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[jekhb76]

I have only been a member of this forum for a very short while, unlike some of you that have been members for years but I have found my short time here to be very enjoyable!

My question to you is this:

After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play? 

Well, i do not agree that only when a system can change the odds it is useful.
The odds are only 2.7% that is no big deal really.
As long as your system is winning more then it loses, it doesn't have to change the odds to be profitable.

[TurboGenius]

After reading many, many, many posts... Am I to conclude that The Holy Truth is that unless a system changes the odds it is rendered useless and a waste of time? Is there such a system out there? Is the only worthwhile methods to pursue the art of spotting a biased wheel and taking advantage of it and VB play?

Anyone who tells you that there's no "Holy Grail" or that no system or method can possibly win is lying. I don't care who says it or how many times you read it on forums. It's your choice to make in the end, you can either do the work or not.
Two simple methods based on patterns, they will both work and not fail for as long as you'd ever want to play them and win. But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post. If a "biased" wheel can be found - good luck with that. If a hidden computer is the best answer - good luck with that too, but please let the casino know you are using one and see how that goes. But if you're going to work on ways to beat the game based on math and you understand "random" - then you can make charts like below (like I just did last night for examples) and you might like the results. I'm not sure that even AP gives these kinds of results... maybe they do, it's not my department.




and I'll wander back to just reading posts. I think it's ok to post when I find it informative for others....

[jekhb76]

Anyone who tells you that there's no "Holy Grail" or that no system or method can possibly win is lying. I don't care who says it or how many times you read it on forums. It's your choice to make in the end, you can either do the work or not.
Two simple methods based on patterns, they will both work and not fail for as long as you'd ever want to play them and win. But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post. If a "biased" wheel can be found - good luck with that. If a hidden computer is the best answer - good luck with that too, but please let the casino know you are using one and see how that goes. But if you're going to work on ways to beat the game based on math and you understand "random" - then you can make charts like below (like I just did last night for examples) and you might like the results. I'm not sure that even AP gives these kinds of results... maybe they do, it's not my department.




and I'll wander back to just reading posts. I think it's ok to post when I find it informative for others....

Well said.
Now the question is, in wich direction we need to look, regarding patterns? There are so many patterns in roulette, can you push us a little in the right drection? thanks alot.

[TurboGenius]

Patterns are everywhere -
(I opened myself up to the coming replies of "Oh great, now he's got pattern Holy Grails, hot number Holy Grails... they are everywhere !" - so ok.)

I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.
If I can show you a pattern that happens almost every single time you run off spins - then surely you can make a chart just like the ones I posted.. You can play a pattern style system/method and you already know before you play that you're going to win.
If a pattern shows every time you run spins - then you know that goes in the "likely" column and then form the best way to attack it.
Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.
There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.
Now we can ignore this, pretend it doesn't happen, or exploit it.
I don't mean "after a 10 bet #20 because we all know 20 follows a 10" because that is absolute nonsense. Anyone with experience of any kind knows what is nonsense and what isn't. When you see something over and over (and over) and you don't exploit that pattern happening, of course people can't use patterns to win.
Just my 2 cents.

[nottophammer]

Progression, i think

[nottophammer]

Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?

Ed what do i say the usual for spins 11-40,  7,5,3; 7 larger group hit the 5; 50/50 both repeats and non-hit, the 3 more repeats.

[jekhb76]

Patterns are everywhere -
(I opened myself up to the coming replies of "Oh great, now he's got pattern Holy Grails, hot number Holy Grails... they are everywhere !" - so ok.)

I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.
If I can show you a pattern that happens almost every single time you run off spins - then surely you can make a chart just like the ones I posted.. You can play a pattern style system/method and you already know before you play that you're going to win.
If a pattern shows every time you run spins - then you know that goes in the "likely" column and then form the best way to attack it.
Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.
There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.
Now we can ignore this, pretend it doesn't happen, or exploit it.
I don't mean "after a 10 bet #20 because we all know 20 follows a 10" because that is absolute nonsense. Anyone with experience of any kind knows what is nonsense and what isn't. When you see something over and over (and over) and you don't exploit that pattern happening, of course people can't use patterns to win.
Just my 2 cents.

Ok thanks. alot to think about.

[jekhb76]

Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?

Ed what do i say the usual for spins 11-40,  7,5,3; 7 larger group hit the 5; 50/50 both repeats and non-hit, the 3 more repeats.

Flatbet.

[nottophammer]

Flatbet.

No,

Now a couple of weeks ago i posted a topic called repeats, progression.  I removed it, it was too good.

Two others know of it.

[jekhb76]

No,

Now a couple of weeks ago i posted a topic called repeats, progression.  I removed it, it was too good.

Two others know of it.

ok, a shame.

[nottophammer]

I had more units over 12,000 but had to many #'s for the progression, so having learnt not to bet too many#'s, getting back, the loss had me down to 6,000 units.

Now its about progression, as you see +148

So bankroll and progression, to smaller BR, smaller progression, build BR, bigger progression.

It's late i'll post up the #'s tomorrow, HutchHawk might remember them as he was there.

[Bigbroben]

I said since forever that the first thing people should do when looking for a way to win is to list things that are possible, things that are likely, things that aren't possible and aren't likely - etc. You get the point.

There are lots, you can re-arrange the numbers on the table in any order that you want and the exact same pattern will appear and be completely predictable.

Maybe I'll just do that!  See what we assume to be or not to be possible.

Do you mean patterns on the physical wheel, where nrs are not from 0-36 in order, or with the nr value itself?  I think you showed it works with RNG also...

I'll write a list and be back after these messages.

[TurboGenius]

The table layout and the wheel layout aren't relevant.
The "anti-pattern" people will agree with this too, they'll say there's nothing
special about how the table is laid out or the wheel - although AP bias players
need the wheel layout to see where the bias is (if there is one).
In a pattern style of play you can put the numbers on the table in any order that
you want and the same pattern will show (this is how it works).
There's just no need to do this, or make it any more complicated than it is - there
are already numbers on the table in a order they are in.... it's just not relevant when it comes to a pattern appearing every time.

[TurboGenius]

Maybe I'll just do that!  See what we assume to be or not to be possible.

Also, as a follow up - when you have a system or method and it fails - know why it fails.
Use that info !
People will come up with a way to play (some come up with 1 a day or hundreds a month) and when it fails they move to the next idea.

1) Why did it fail
2) What can be done to benefit from what you now know.
3) Find if there is a way to avoid that event by doing something else without
trashing the entire idea.
The leads to progress instead of frustration.

People will think "I tried this x,y,z and it works great until "w" happens, then it fails.
Ok - so what is the "w" - how can you make it so you can benefit when "w" happens,
instead of seeing it as the straw that breaks the camel's back, see it as "when life gives you lemons, make lemon aid" - it's easy to pass over something with potential because the focus was on what didn't work and not "why" it didn't work.
Just adding the comment, it's pretty important.

Analogy of being on a trip and coming to a road block.
To some people who work on systems - this would mean turning around, going back home, looking for a completely different route and going again... that's a waste of time. Find a way around the road block and you could possibly even find a faster way that you didn't consider before. If ALL else fails - then DON'T go down that road again, this is progress for the next trip already. Trust me - there's not a road block on every path, there are ways.
Going around in circles trying to defeat what's there by restarting the trip could take decades of work.