The Holy Truth

[Bigbroben]

Tell me: you stick with straightup or slide off to splits, street or corners?

[TurboGenius]

Tell me: you stick with straightup or slide off to splits, street or corners?

I love straight up bets. I've also found ways to play betting splits where the player can benefit from hot/cold numbers. This circles back to a pattern style though. If you chart past spins (just for research) and see where the cold numbers were - where the hot numbers were - there's almost always a hot number next to a cold number. The split bet can help the player because the hot number wins, and eventually the cold number shows up.
Once you know this, you can start fresh with present and future spins in actual play.
You can have 10 shows on #20 for example, and 0 shows on #17 but a split bet allowed you to win 10 wins on the split until the cold number appeared (and that IS another win).
It sounds complicated but it's not - the center column numbers have 4 split bets around them (aside from the 35). One or two of them are hot while the others are cold, you can win. But that's splits. (Was a future method called "Double Cross"... maybe I'll post it at some time in the near future)
The "Minimum Interval" method I created works incredibly well - and you can work your way from the line bets (6#s) to the corner bets (4#s) to the street bets (3#s), to the split bets (2#s) and that's a few hours of playing time in a casino. One of them will typically pay off, or they all will... if it's done right it's not too hard to track and uses most of the bets available on the table without a progression... I posted about it 10 YEARS ago and it never got much traction with people - however that might have just meant it wasn't properly understood. It's not perfect.
link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1037.0

My play now is only on straight ups though, I've moved past almost anything aside from that - it's been giving the best, reliable results with the least effort.
Hope that helps.

[Bigbroben]

... and suddenly there are 0 members and 11 guest visiting the 10-year-old topic on VLS....!!!

[cht]

What method you play the numbers must consistently have a higher probability to win than lose.

When you have a consistently higher probability to lose than win, you actually have the same probability to win than lose.

What you don't want to have is the usual swing from win a lot to lose a lot which is the case for most systems. Such system, method, strategy is useless no matter how small the variance volatility. Contrary to common believe, the larger the volatility the better is the return.

This is advantage play in whatever form basically with the use of physical attributes of the wheel and ball motion(not physics) and, or pure math alone.

If you use neither of the above where one is more likely to happen than the opposite other then you are guessing or pure gambling.

[jekhb76]

I love straight up bets. I've also found ways to play betting splits where the player can benefit from hot/cold numbers. This circles back to a pattern style though. If you chart past spins (just for research) and see where the cold numbers were - where the hot numbers were - there's almost always a hot number next to a cold number. The split bet can help the player because the hot number wins, and eventually the cold number shows up.
Once you know this, you can start fresh with present and future spins in actual play.
You can have 10 shows on #20 for example, and 0 shows on #17 but a split bet allowed you to win 10 wins on the split until the cold number appeared (and that IS another win).
It sounds complicated but it's not - the center column numbers have 4 split bets around them (aside from the 35). One or two of them are hot while the others are cold, you can win. But that's splits. (Was a future method called "Double Cross"... maybe I'll post it at some time in the near future)
The "Minimum Interval" method I created works incredibly well - and you can work your way from the line bets (6#s) to the corner bets (4#s) to the street bets (3#s), to the split bets (2#s) and that's a few hours of playing time in a casino. One of them will typically pay off, or they all will... if it's done right it's not too hard to track and uses most of the bets available on the table without a progression... I posted about it 10 YEARS ago and it never got much traction with people - however that might have just meant it wasn't properly understood. It's not perfect.
link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=1037.0

My play now is only on straight ups though, I've moved past almost anything aside from that - it's been giving the best, reliable results with the least effort.
Hope that helps.

Good morning All,
Well that's something i never thought of before! Many thanks for the insight Turbo 
Now we need to to find a way to search for the minimal interval on single numbers. That would be one Hell of a job. Guess it will be a study day instead of a working day. Thanks again.

[Steve]

The odds are only 2.7% that is no big deal really.

If you have 100 apples. In 37 minutes, someone steals one. You have 99 left. It's no big deal.

37 minutes later, someone steals another. You have 98 left. It's no big deal.

Keep going. It's no big deal.

As long as your system is winning more then it loses, it doesn't have to change the odds to be profitable.

A rather big misunderstanding. You can't stop that thief. He keeps taking an apple every 37 minutes. The only way to increase your amount of apples is if your trees are growing them faster than the thief takes them away.

You cannot beat roulette long term without changing the odds. It's impossible. If your payout is always below the odds, you will lose everything eventually. Its not a complicated concept.

[Steve]

But I'm misleading now according to others so please disregard my post

As long as your proof is just your misunderstandings, results from rigged games or games with unrealistic betting limits, then yes there is every logical reason to believe you are misleading people.... or should we accept proof like rigged game results?

Now they'll say "Patterns don't exist in random" - but of course they do.

Sure if you count reds and blacks normally spinning around the same amount of time after 1,000 spins. You might call that a "pattern", and it's predictable, but you can't use it to change the odds.

Eddy your #'s +217 betting repeats, but what progression used?

Whats the purpose of progression when it's just changing the amount you risk?

A martingale player thinks he's making a string of bets like 1,2,4,8 etc. But it;s all in his head. All he's doing is making 1 bet with 1 unit. 1 bet with 2 units. 1 bet with 4 units etc. It's no different if he makes those bets alone, or several different players make the bets.

Progression is delusion if you think you are increasing your chance of winning. You are actually increasing your chance of losing. but for the gambler, he is hoping his progression can survive a bad run, and still profit. It will work for a while. It will work for some players. And for others, they lose bigger. So all progression does is increase the stakes. Increase your chance of losing big. Progression is a loan with high interest, and you never know when you have to pay it back.

[nottophammer]

Last night; Bankroll; progression. +148

[Roulettebeater]

Hey Steve
We just hear you talking about changing odds, What do you mean with that  ?
How does your computer change the odds ? Can you elaborate more on this theme : odds changing

[Steve]

Like if you bet 1 number, normally you win 1 in 37 times on average. But if you increase accuracy of predictions, you change the odds to say 1 win every 15 spins. Then who cares if the payout in 35-1.

Its a simple but critical concept.

[ZERO]

Like if you bet 1 number, normally you win 1 in 37 times on average. But if you increase accuracy of predictions, you change the odds to say 1 win every 15 spins. Then who cares if the payout in 35-1.

Its a simple but critical concept.

Thanks for all the input guys!

Steve, is it your belief that no probability or pattern theory/system can obtain this accuracy?

[Steve]

Steve, is it your belief that no probability or pattern theory/system can obtain this accuracy?

Probability is how often something will happen, whatever the variables are. If important variables cannot be measured, the probability cannot be measured beyond random. Ie you'll be stuck at 1 in 37.

Patterns are the result of correlation between variables and events. Sure you can use patterns to change odds. The problem is what most players think are patterns are not at all patterns. For example, the law of a third is not a pattern. Its normal probability.

When a player recognizes a real pattern, and finds the relationship to variables, then develops a clearly defined model of the relationships, including dynamic ones, then they'll beat roulette in more than enough conditions.

[Steve]

Its all just correlation between data and events. I did the same with my stock and crypto trading bot. Like roulette, its just crunching data to find a reliable edge.

[nottophammer]

Probability is how often something will happen, whatever the variables are. If important variables cannot be measured, the probability cannot be measured beyond random. Ie you'll be stuck at 1 in 37.

[Steve]

Using repeaters as an example. What is the correlation between spins? Besides release points, or a series of reactions from observers, i dont know of any correlation.

But if repeaters were relevant and could change odds, then analysing probabilities after repeaters would show the correlation. It has been well tested. There is no correlation besides in cases of bias. So playing with repeaters is no better than random bets.