Building The Optimum System.

[Madi]

When a bankrole wipeout u lost couple of hundred units so making 1 unit profit theoritically will take long to recover and inbetween u might lose again that u take months to recover

[Madi]

And like Turbo said, the list with numbers to bet is getting smaller and smaller as you progress. That got my intention. And this way we are playing the Hot numbers All the Time.

U got it wrong. The total number to bet remains the same from spin 1 to 100. The shape of the chart becomes a cone and hottest remain on top.

[jekhb76]

U got it wrong. The total number to bet remains the same from spin 1 to 100. The shape of the chart becomes a cone and hottest remain on top.

25 sessions played, 25 session won.

SESSION 01: +29   units (3rd came on spin 13 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 02: +30   units (4rd came on spin 35 with 2 3s bet)
SESSION 03: +19   units (3rd came on spin 16 with 3 2s bet)
SESSION 04: +14   units (3rd came on spin 21 with 4 2s bet)
SESSION 05: +15   units (3rd came on spin 17 with 3 2s bet)
SESSION 06: +8    units (3rd came on spin 17 with 4 2s bet)
SESSION 07: +27   units (3rd came on spin 17 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 08: +35   units (3rd came on spin 12 with 1 2s bet)
SESSION 09: +1    units (3rd came on spin 24 with 4 2s bet)
SESSION 10: +29   units (3rd came on spin 15 with 1 2s bet)
SESSION 11: +9    units (3rd came on spin 22 with 4 2s bet)
SESSION 12: +10   units (3rd came on spin 19 with 3 2s bet)
SESSION 13: +516  units (7th came on spin 76 with 1 7s bet)
SESSION 14: +56   units (6th came on spin 86 with 2 5s bet)
SESSION 15: +10   units (3rd came on spin 24 with 5 2s bet)
SESSION 16: +107  units (7th came on spin 103 with 2 6s bet)
SESSION 17: +8    units (3rd came on spin 16 with 5 2s bet)
SESSION 18: +27   units (3rd came on spin 14 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 19: +33   units (3rd came on spin 12 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 20: +23   units (4th came on spin 34 with 4 3s bet)
SESSION 21: +28   units (3rd came on spin 16 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 22: +5178 units (11th came on spin 205 with 2 10s bet)needed to bet 256 units per #
SESSION 23: +20   units (4rd came on spin 35 with 2 3s bet)
SESSION 24: +2    units (3rd came on spin 22 with 5 2s bet)
SESSION 25: +34   units (3rd came on spin 8 with 1 2s bet)

[Madi]

256 unit per number? Anyway whats ur bank required ?

[jekhb76]

256 unit per number? Anyway whats ur bank required ?

I know, that's too high.
But it is just a test, to see if we can always win.
I think MM is the key here.
I was down over 7000 units when i needed to bet 256 per number.
We need to work on our MM, to make the ultimate roulette killer.....

Here are 10 more sessions, all won. now 35/35.
SESSION 26: +33   units (3rd came on spin 5 with 1 2s bet)
SESSION 27: +20   units (3rd came on spin 16 with 4 2s bet)
SESSION 28: +34   units (3rd came on spin 10 with 1 2s bet)
SESSION 29: +1    units (5th came on spin 55 with 4 4s bet)
SESSION 30: +33   units (3rd came on spin 11 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 31: +33   units (3rd came on spin 9 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 32: +1328 units (11th came on spin 239 with 2 10s bet)needed to bet 256 units per #
SESSION 33: +24   units (3rd came on spin 15 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 34: +24   units (3rd came on spin 17 with 2 2s bet)
SESSION 35: +65   units (5th came on spin 84 with 2 4s bet)

[jekhb76]

Maybe also An option is as soon you get a hit and not in profit, you Keep the numbers intact and their value. Because other numbers Will try to match up.

Ex.
You Have 4# with 8u on them and you get a hit on one of those 4# and you're not in profit, you now continue with the same numbers and their value, and adding every new # number that matches their hits to the list and their value and continue until you get another hit. Etc.
Will test this also for 25 sessions later today when i Have more Time.

Just brain stroming. I don't Have the awnser , wish i had. Maybe some other members can push us in the Right direction.

[ArmitageShanks]

Hi

-I would look at ways of keeping the amount of numbers being bet and for how long down as the killer is betting to many numbers for to long. The odd missed number is worth it in the long run.
-I wouldnt go so high with a progression (unit wise)
-Betting at two level of hits might be worth it sometimes.

A small amount of flexibility is needed 

[Roulettebeater]

Hi

-I would look at ways of keeping the amount of numbers being bet and for how long down as the killer is betting to many numbers for to long. The odd missed number is worth it in the long run.
-I wouldnt go so high with a progression (unit wise)
-Betting at two level of hits might be worth it sometimes.

A small amount of flexibility is needed 

Hey
You appear to have good experience in money management and risk analysis ... good job !

Listen, you added some nice tips and ingredients for a well cooked game !
The question that pops up in my head, what if you have a system that requires betting 17 numbers.. is this too much for you ?
Let’s put more questions on the table in hope for better brainstorming ... what about 7 steps marti progression for these 17 numbers ... is this viable according to you ?
Let’s suppose that after too many days of tests, you came to the conclusion that 7 steps marti has never been violated ... you should now decide what stakes are you willing to risk .. would you start with lowest stake possible or go as highroller ?

[ArmitageShanks]

I'll have to come back to this in a day or two as just on my way out but quickly
1. i wouldnt(or couldnt) bet 17 numbers with this method
2. I dont have a set amount of steps in the progression.

Now if your looking at betting on 2's to 3's and so on yes hopefully you'll get these wins early and not need to go 140/200 spins but if needed then surely you'll be on a few numbers by that point that are hitting above expectation.

[Roulettebeater]

Any guru here can answer my questions?

Appreciated !

[ZERO]

Maybe also An option is as soon you get a hit and not in profit, you Keep the numbers intact and their value. Because other numbers Will try to match up.

Ex.
You Have 4# with 8u on them and you get a hit on one of those 4# and you're not in profit, you now continue with the same numbers and their value, and adding every new # number that matches their hits to the list and their value and continue until you get another hit. Etc.
Will test this also for 25 sessions later today when i Have more Time.

Just brain stroming. I don't Have the awnser , wish i had. Maybe some other members can push us in the Right direction.

JEK, give this a try...

First cycle of 36 spins bet 1 unit on every number that hits and add a unit every time it repeats.

Second cycle of 36 spins you first remove all the numbers with only 1 unit on them keep all the 2`s, 3`s etc and double your bet on all of them. You only play these numbers for the entire second cycle and also add a unit to each of these numbers when they hit.

Third cycle of 36 spins you first remove all the numbers with only 4 units on them keep the rest and double your bet on all of them. You only play these numbers for the entire third cycle and also add a unit to each of these numbers when they hit.

I know you like to restart when in profit and I am pretty sure you will have your profit somewhere within in these 3 cycles or else you could just play out the cycles... 

[jekhb76]

I think it's best to return to the basics one More Time......

There is a beautiful post from turbo of February 1 last year. The basics is All here. But it is also were i and Most of us are lost at the End.

Anyway, here is the post:
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I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

[jekhb76]

JEK, give this a try...

First cycle of 36 spins bet 1 unit on every number that hits and add a unit every time it repeats.

Second cycle of 36 spins you first remove all the numbers with only 1 unit on them keep all the 2`s, 3`s etc and double your bet on all of them. You only play these numbers for the entire second cycle and also add a unit to each of these numbers when they hit.

Third cycle of 36 spins you first remove all the numbers with only 4 units on them keep the rest and double your bet on all of them. You only play these numbers for the entire third cycle and also add a unit to each of these numbers when they hit.

I know you like to restart when in profit and I am pretty sure you will have your profit somewhere within in these 3 cycles or else you could just play out the cycles... 

Never looked at it this way, thanks.
Will Have a go at it later tonight.
But the one thing that i worry about is that we won't Have a profit Point, and that we are in debt and in a big big hole after 3 cycles. But i'll give it. Go. 

[Roulettebeater]

Exactly jek !

They say “when you are in hole, stop digging”

[ozon]

I already thought that one of the optimal options was explained in this post   

Passion Ruleta

I gave you several ideas but you have not read my comment, hehehe.
Take the repeated that there are in 24 balls and play with the progression 1-3-9, as soon as you have a benefit leave those repeated and take the repeated ones that there are in the last 24 balls and play till have another benefit and so on ... You will see how long you always want, because you always catch the new hot ...
Another option take all the repeated up to 37 balls and play with them with the progression 1-3-9 until the 74 ball and eliminate those that follow 2 and take and play all 3 with the progression until the 111 ball.
If you have a good profit on the 74 ball or before it returns to restart but continues until the 111 with those of 3 or more with the progression, but a number that has 9 chips does not go up to more chips, it remains with 9.
You will always have before the 74 ball or before the 111 benefits.
If you do not realize what happens, look at the law of radioactive decay and you will see what it explains.
Anything you tell me and tell me if it is true that I know what Turbo does or not, that I already told you.