Top secret - your opinion needed

Roulettebeater · May 16, 01:20 PM 2018

Hi experts

yesterday i witnessed an illegal/cheat action on one of the live "evolution gaming" roulette tables.
i am now considering to move to bet365 tables.

I am not familiar with bet365 tables, i noticed that the ball is bit bigger than the evolution gaming tables.

do you have experience with bet365 tables? are they fair? are they easy to defeat?

thx

Nimo · May 16, 02:57 PM 2018

I don't play live tables since I get bored easily waiting , so I can't help you there, but on the sports book side they are great to work with, never had a problem cashing out.

Steve · May 16, 05:24 PM 2018

What was the cheat action?

Roulettebeater · May 16, 05:47 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 05:24 PM 2018
What was the cheat action?

I was playing roulette yesterday and focused on 0 section. I watched the video many times and it seems the ball landed in "0", but it is shown in "35" . i duno how the ball got in there as the casino doesn't show the whole spin.

yesterday they were using for first time an angle camera ! its very supicious.

another thing, the rule says the dealer should spin from last number, they ignored that and were spinning from far away

Steve · May 16, 05:58 PM 2018

There are occasional issues like that which are not cheating. But it helps to screen record everything so you have something clear to work with. Its the same case with mpr or any live online game.

Roulettebeater · May 16, 06:00 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 05:58 PM 2018There are occasional issues like that which are not cheating. But it helps to screen record everything so you have something clear to work with. Its the same case with mpr or any live online game.

they were cheating!
an angle camera used for the first time at that table that doesn't show the entire path of the ball and ball drop very suspicious as i already described!

My system's prediction was neutralized due to these shitty actions

nottophammer · May 16, 06:16 PM 2018

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 16, 06:00 PM 2018My system's prediction was neutralized due to these shitty actions

DoctorSudoku · May 16, 06:26 PM 2018

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 16, 05:47 PM 2018
I was playing roulette yesterday and focused on 0 section. I watched the video many times and it seems the ball landed in "0", but it is shown in "35" . i duno how the ball got in there as the casino doesn't show the whole spin.

yesterday they were using for first time an angle camera ! its very supicious.

another thing, the rule says the dealer should spin from last number, they ignored that and were spinning from far away

Most serious gamblers who win or at least try to win serious amounts (NOT mickey mouse amounts) of money on a consistent basis play in b&m casinos.

There is a reason why they exhibit such a strong preference in terms of their favored gambling venues -- maybe that is a lesson that you can learn from them.

Steve · May 16, 06:45 PM 2018

Quote from: nottophammer on May 16, 06:16 PM 2018

If one spin neutralizes your system, is it a good system?

A glitch can work either for or against you.

boyd30 · May 17, 01:12 AM 2018

I tried the roulette once at bet365. I don't remember what it was but it got me quit playing there. It's hard to say when things happen if it's technical issues or not. Sometimes the ball jump suspicious but is it magnets or not that people say?

Roulettebeater · May 17, 02:41 AM 2018

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 06:45 PM 2018
If one spin neutralizes your system, is it a good system?

A glitch can work either for or against you.

Not only one spin
It was a serie of multiple suspicious spins.

Sure they can neutralize your systems

Roulettebeater · May 17, 02:42 AM 2018

Quote from: boyd30 on May 17, 01:12 AM 2018
I tried the roulette once at bet365. I don't remember what it was but it got me quit playing there. It's hard to say when things happen if it's technical issues or not. Sometimes the ball jump suspicious but is it magnets or not that people say?

Well, can be
I noticed they use a bigger and heavier ball that is hard to fall directly in one pocket, it always keeps bouncing ...

Roulettebeater · May 17, 02:44 AM 2018

No one has told me yet if the casino is allowed to spin the ball far away from last spun number, is this legal ? I doubt so

I have a system that uses the last spun number as a reference point / place in which the ball should be spun... they damaged the efficiency of the system because they kept spinning from far away

ZERO · May 17, 06:47 AM 2018

By the way, online casinos do cheat...

The General · May 17, 11:26 AM 2018

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 16, 05:47 PM 2018
I was playing roulette yesterday and focused on 0 section. I watched the video many times and it seems the ball landed in "0", but it is shown in "35" . i duno how the ball got in there as the casino doesn't show the whole spin.

yesterday they were using for first time an angle camera ! its very supicious.

another thing, the rule says the dealer should spin from last number, they ignored that and were spinning from far away

The ball bounced. So what, it happens.

Have you plotted a scatter profile for the wheel? You should. Plot around 500 to 1000 spins. I doubt the video quality is good enough to accurately see where the ball smacks the deflectors on the apron each spin, but give it a try.

Regarding ball release: in the US the ball is not usually released from the last number spun. Again, no big deal. It's good that you're attempting to make some kind of reference to the position of the ball in relation to the rotor, but surely you can see an obvious solution to your problem.
(Psst...look later in the spin.) Regardless, you're not going to beat an online wheel playing that way.

Playing online is a fools game. Get out, and go to a real casino. Online casinos are reserved for the young, naive, and addicted gamblers. Consistent winners have their accounts frozen and are banned.

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