The General Verses Turbo Roulette Challenge

[jekhb76]

Turbo, it comes back to if you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it. The only credible results are mpr and you have a negative win rate.  You avoid mpr now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions. Your theories are backwards and incorrect.  You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.

What a load of crap you are Spitting out here Steve. THE ADMIN VIDEO RECORDS HIS SESSIONS! You only post nonsense about you and your roulette divices, that that is the way to win. And now you talking bullshit of RS. Man get a Life. 
If i was Turbo, i would stay far, far away from this Forum as possible and concetrate on the More important aspects of Life.....What a load of crap.
Not talking about All members ofcourse.

[ZERO]

The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.

Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?

Just curious... just asking... 

[jekhb76]

The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.

Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?

Just curious... just asking... 

Sorry, but am i the only one here that it don't find amusing how Steve bashes Turbo All the time? Steve must be a very lonely person, to only jump i'm a post as soon Turbo arives. Sad, Just sad. 

[Steve]

Why the others don’t believe that turbo’s low win rate is an indication that his method isn’t good ?

Gullibility and lack of understanding.

What a load of crap you are Spitting out here Steve. THE ADMIN VIDEO RECORDS HIS SESSIONS!

It's best to check before accusing. You havent been paying attention.

1. Turbo created two accounts on MPR. One is his serious account, and the other a mess-around account. He played thousands of spins with his serious account until the win rate became negative. Then strangely he moved to RS and Parx, which have various problems such as unrealistic betting limits, big bonuses etc.

2. When Turbo was asked why he avoids MPR, he says its because I might steal his system. He is referring to MPRs basic logs that are to debug and reveal cheating (every online game has them). They were necessary to reveal how players were cheating. They are not designed to reverse engineer systems. It could be done, like at any online casino, but it would be messy and difficult. So instead of playing on MPR, Turbo went to RS . . . where the site similarly records all bets and winnings, but it also records a video of each session. Anyone can view them unless the player makes it private, in which case only the admin can see it. The video makes it very easy for the admin to see a player's system.

So yes, RS records a convenient video of sessions. I accept your apology.

My problem with Turbo's reasoning is RS makes his system far more vulnerable than MPR. In other words, I believe Turbo is full of it. Seems more like he wants an excuse to avoid a realistic test of his system, and instead play in unrealistic conditions.

MPR is an easy place to test and compare systems. Lots of people talk about how great their HG is, but check the leaderboard. Where are they? MPR helps separate wheat from chaff. But that's not my fault. Roulette has an in-built house edge.

You only post nonsense about you and your roulette divices, that that is the way to win

What part is nonsense? And where have I ever said it's the only way to win? Again pay attention. I've said many times there are many ways to win that dont involve computers. But I have rightfully said computers are more effective than anything else.

It is easy to say "Steve just wants to sell computers so criticizes all the HGs". It is nonsense, and a pathetically narrow view. Again you haven't been following everything being said. There are so many holes in Turbo's story, and his theories, I'm not going into it again. His theories are old and incorrect. You can read my earlier posts where full details are provided, including free software and instructions to prove his theories are incorrect. And you know it's not just me saying it. Every other experienced player says the same thing. Mathematicians say the same thing. Every professional in the gaming industry says the same thing. I suppose they are all just helping me sell computers, right?

Again, computers easily give an edge higher than anything else. But I don't give a rats ass if you or anyone don't like the idea of computers. Using them is more important than selling them. Still it has nothing to do with anything here.

In addition to explaining what does work even without a computer, I've explained various "less-explored" approaches that MAY work. I actively encourage everyone to try NEW methods, and to steer away from typical fallacy, and methods that have already been tried by millions of gamblers before.

The only thing that amuses me is that Steve hardly ever comments but as soon as Turbo has something to say Steve says a hell of a lot as well.

I see incorrect theories and bad systems posted here every day. Sometimes I say something and explain why they wont work, but it never gets anywhere, so usually I dont bother. But every now and then, someone comes here and professes to be a magic guru with a system that never loses. And gullible people get easily misled and follow blindly. It wastes their time, and degrades the forum because it becomes full of nonsense.

And when such people come along, naturally the more experienced players spend more time rightfully pointing out problems with their theories and claims. I suppose you think we should all shut up and let everyone be misled.

When the guru is rightfully criticized, gullible sheep think the people with experience have some hidden agenda to censor the HG. And later, when everyone realizes the guru was full of shit (unintentionally or not), everyone learns a lesson . . . or so you would think. Because then a new guru comes along, and the process repeats. In particularly newer members such as yourself have no clue, think I have the problem, and I find myself explaining it again.

If experienced players let bullshit run free, this place would contain even more misleading information. A number of times, people have complained to me about losing when they used a system from here, which was supposed to be the HG. It led to me adding the warning on the home page.

I moderate this forum to allow free speech. Anyone can give whatever opinions they want. I have never censored any method and never will. I encourage people to back their opinions with fact, as I do. So when I see a guru misleading a flock of sheep, I dont want my forum to be used to harm people. At the very least, I and other experienced players speak up. If you dont get it, if you dont understand the problems with Turbo's testing and theories, that's not my problem. But hopefully other people pay more attention to everything being said. But more importantly, I hope people verify the facts for themselves, because following someone's word alone isn't good enough - I have even explained exact testing to do, and given free software to test. Imagine if everyone blindly believed what they read or heard. But actually it happens constantly, leading to severe ignorance.

Haven`t been around long enough to know the history between them but can`t help to wonder if it`s personal or has Steve just made it his life long mission to convert Turbo?

As above. It's nothing remotely personal.

Sorry, but am i the only one here that it don't find amusing how Steve bashes Turbo All the time?

Bashing Turbo, or explaining why his logic and testing is backwards for the benefit of everyone interested in winning?

teve must be a very lonely person, to only jump i'm a post as soon Turbo arives. Sad, Just sad.

Stop it. I'm sensitive.

[The General]

I'm winning on Parx toO!

What's funny is that I don't even have to play and the site regularly gives me more free mode money just for signing on!

[TurboGenius]

I'm winning on Parx toO!

What logical sense does that make ?
You're growing a bankroll by logging in - you're not winning because
you log in and your bankroll grows (pssst.. that's not winning, you have to risk it to win)
It's hopeless - that guy up there was right, why even bother to read and post.
If the wobbly wheel genius here and the roulette computer genius here can't understand having a bankroll isn't profit - and you don't rank on the leaderboard without playing... what can anyone do ?

[The General]

My point is that Parx free mode isn't the real thing.

Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too?  It happens on Parx.  LOL.
With winnings like that, why are you wasting time with roulette?

But for some strange reason you weren't able to replicate your results on MPR.  Go figure.

Why hasn't anyone else been able to replicate your results outside of Parx?

[Steve]

If the wobbly wheel genius here and the roulette computer genius here can't understand having a bankroll isn't profit - and you don't rank on the leaderboard without playing... what can anyone do ?

The repeater math genius doesn't understand real casinos dont give you hundreds of thousands in bonus money to play with, and that winnings with the bonuses do count on the leaderboard. Actually he does understand it. So he says "it's fair because anyone can do it". Sure, they can. But few people can be bothered logging consecutive days, for months, for the maximum play money bonus which is then used to out-rank other players and win even more bonus money, and repeat the process.

You didnt replicate it on MPR because your "never lose" system loses in realistic conditions.

[ZERO]

I see incorrect theories and bad systems posted here every day. Sometimes I say something and explain why they wont work, but it never gets anywhere, so usually I dont bother. But every now and then, someone comes here and professes to be a magic guru with a system that never loses. And gullible people get easily misled and follow blindly. It wastes their time, and degrades the forum because it becomes full of nonsense.

Point noted!

And when such people come along, naturally the more experienced players spend more time rightfully pointing out problems with their theories and claims. I suppose you think we should all shut up and let everyone be misled.

That`s not what I said or implied I was merely stating what I have observed during my time on this forum. There are a lot of members misleading others but come on Steve you know you are making it quite obvious who you are targeting...

When the guru is rightfully criticized, gullible sheep think the people with experience have some hidden agenda to censor the HG. And later, when everyone realizes the guru was full of shit (unintentionally or not), everyone learns a lesson . . . or so you would think. Because then a new guru comes along, and the process repeats. In particularly newer members such as yourself have no clue, think I have the problem, and I find myself explaining it again.

I`m sure you know all about gullible sheep but you don`t know me from a bar of soap so don`t judge.

I moderate this forum to allow free speech. Anyone can give whatever opinions they want. I have never censored any method and never will. I encourage people to back their opinions with fact, as I do. So when I see a guru misleading a flock of sheep, I dont want my forum to be used to harm people. At the very least, I and other experienced players speak up. If you dont get it, if you dont understand the problems with Turbo's testing and theories, that's not my problem. But hopefully other people pay more attention to everything being said.

Once again with the sheep? You`re the one that "don`t get it" I was merely asking a question. If you can`t reply in a descent manner then don`t.

As above. It's nothing remotely personal.

Obviously 

[jekhb76]

My point is that Parx free mode isn't the real thing.

Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too?  It happens on Parx.  LOL.
With winnings like that, why are you wasting time with roulette?

But for some strange reason you weren't able to replicate your results on MPR.  Go figure.

Why hasn't anyone else been able to replicate your results outside of Parx?

You are all Missing the Point here!
Turbo doesn't Have to prove anything to anyone. When he does prove something, All the naysayers say it was rigged or he cheated etc. Everytime Turbo posts something of value here, and he does! Then Always the same guru's jump in and find away to prove him wrong, Without knowing what he is doin' and playing in the First place.
But what you don't understand is that there are also members Who would like to learn from Turbo, but you All preventing that, because with All your brabbling, he won't put his Time and Energy in this Forum anymore. Which is a real shame and a great loss of this Forum. Because Turbo is one of the few Who really contribute something when he is posting. But you Just can't See it. A shame, really.
But go ahead, continue to believe that An Orange is Blue when i say it is Orange.

[Steve]

[TurboGenius]

Do you honestly believe that people are running around regularly winning 10 to 30 million with their slot systems too?  It happens on Parx.  LOL.

Again and again......
$1,000.00 per pull - do the math please and report back.
If you don't understand that (as they post clearly) the slot payout is the exact same
percent as in the casino, then you simply can't understand that.
If the payout is the exact same % as a physical slot machine and the minimum per pull is
4,000 times higher than in the casino - what would the top winners win ?
Exactly what they are winning. And please ignore everyone who lost as well since it doesn't fit in with your argument.

To everyone else - if I've learned anything I've learned this -
If you don't post here about bias wheels (needle in a haystack odds of finding one of those)
OR
you don't post about how amazing roulette computers are (I can't use one in my casino and no one else here can either) - then you are misleading because as these people know - there is no way to win
other than what they profess. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously wrong.
Any post I make about results either in simulations or the real world won't matter.
"Not enough spins" and "Rigged" will be the standard reply.
If it's going to be a "AP friendly" forum where the only topics revolve around
Computers, Signature and Bias - then make that clear.

The whole "I sign in and they give me money so I can't lose" argument is as absurd as it gets yet they keep bringing it out as proof.
I guess if player A brings 10k to the casino and player B brings 1k, and player A wins -
they will just say "Well, obviously - Player A has a bigger bankroll to use !!!!"
So logically you are saying that Player A rigged the game for himself to win by bringing a larger bankroll - but the math and the house edge is the same on every spin....so.....
there's that.... It's not important to you that Player A bets $100.00 chips and Player B uses $10.00 chips - NO NO the math is the same, except when it isn't the same right ?
Sure, I'm misleading - I don't know simple math, I get it.

I "love me some" conspiracy theories but clearly anyone who posts outside of the topics of computers or bias isn't going to be too welcomed to post for long. I'm actually helping people so I'll take the knives thrown at me.

[Steve]

What a load of shit turbo. It has nothing to do with mine or Caleb's preferred methods. It has to do with truth vs utter bullshit.

It's simple:

* The only credible results are MPR and you have a negative win rate.

* Since your win rate on MPR became negative, you avoid MPR now and prefer RS where admin video records your sessions.

* Your theories are PROVABLY backwards and incorrect. Anyone can easily do testing and debunk your theories. I gave precise details numerous times.

* Your claims and theories have blatant contradictions. It from poor understanding.

* You spent a lot of time winning play money on rigged games to get recognition. You claim free money and bonuses is not an edge.

* Parx being rigged is not an opinion, but you still fight for this point without doing the math. It's really not complicated. Also the betting limits on both RS and Parx are ridiculously unrealistic.

* If you could win millions in such a short time, you'd be doing it.

* You play the victim, like you are being picked on. Poor Turbo. You are parading around flashing Parx and RS results claiming to have the "never lose HG". For attention? Who knows. Inexperienced players follow blindly, and you waste their time. The experienced players reveal the problems with your claims, and rightfully so because your story is full of gaping wide holes. You are still even claiming Parx is not rigged. The math is right in front of your face and you still deny it.

[jekhb76]

What has become of this once so good roulette Forum?

[Steve]

I told you. Every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. Then cries victim. The inexperienced followers, who don't understand simple logic and math, defend the guru. It has happened many times before.