The General Verses Turbo Roulette Challenge

[Nimo]

Yup, repeaters work, simple 8 number bet, +1 progression on a loss.  100  unit bankroll turned into $500 in 150 spins.  Imagine with a nice aggressive progression.  Bet selection is the key.

[Steve]

Why should it not work

Because past spins do not influence future spins, and repeaters, and hot numbers, are probably the most common fallacy, which has been thoroughly tested. They dont change the odds. Accuracy is still random. The bet selection is nonsense. So nothing changes.

More detail can and already has been provided. But some people just dont get it.

i know nothing wins forever and that must include you

Advantage play does win forever when done right. The player has the edge instead of the casino. That's why it's called "advantage play".

But it's like what most on here would say, as long as it wins more than it lose, then that's good enough for me

As a basic rule, yes. But are winnings from short term and progression, or from legitimate edge? There's a big difference.

If 100 people all used the same system, would the combined result likely be win or loss?

People are still not understanding the basics. They still think you can just play short term and be assured profit. And they think you dont need to test many spins because you'll never play many spins. All classic fallacy.

due to the condition my Son is in. i need alot of money, but in a legal way, NOT by misleiding People, there are some here that a willing to make money false claims paisson ring a Bell

You shouldnt be looking at roulette to solve this problem. Not with any method or technology.

But strange you talk about misleading, not seeing who's being misleading and how.

When you are willing to study hard and Long enough, the fruit wil ripe, and i can say

Once you eventually understand why methods fail, and what works, you'll finally be saying "oh get it now. There's no way around unfair payouts unless you actually change the odds, which means increasing accuracy of predictions. And repeaters/hot numbers dont at all change the odds."

You can save yourself a lot of time by starting with proper testing. And consider the extensive testing from others.

look past 1 spin

You are not paid from a bunch of spins. You are paid based on the next spin alone. Each spin is an independent event.

sick off All the naysayers

What are the naysayers saying? You cant make 1+1=3? How dare they.

you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.

Hard and accurate work leads to what experienced players have been telling you. And you're rather mixed up by who is or isnt experienced.

Jek you have a long way to go. I hope for your sake you snap out of it. Pay attention, do some research about what experienced players are saying, verify it for yourself, try to understand what is being said.

[Steve]

Yup, repeaters work, simple 8 number bet, +1 progression on a loss.  100  unit bankroll turned into $500 in 150 spins.  Imagine with a nice aggressive progression.  Bet selection is the key.

Nimo try it with flat bets. Your bankroll trend has obvious progression so its only a matter of time that the big losses wipe you out.

Progression is like a high interest loan. It's good for a while, until you need to pay it back plus interest. You can either get lucky and win big, or be unlucky and loss lots.

[Nimo]

Nimo try it with flat bets. Your bankroll trend has obvious progression so its only a matter of time that the big losses wipe you out.

Progression is like a high interest loan. It's good for a while, until you need to pay it back plus interest. You can either get lucky and win big, or be unlucky and loss lots.

Long term progression do work in other gambling areas.  I have made enough money using progressions in sports betting that some would call a fortune.  This is against the math. 25 years and counting.   However my house is real, my cars are real, All paid with progressions.  It would make sense to work in roulette as well, against the math.

[Steve]

Turbo you are posting dribble. Simple tests show repeaters dont at all change the odds. Your system makes random bets, so all that's left is progression betting. It is not an opinion. The testing proves it. Random does not have limits. Maybe you dont really understand it.

How can you play on numbers that will appear above average Steve ?
Numbers hitting above expected is the only way to win surely, so what examples
would you give on how to do this - hell, you might stumble onto the HG yourself.

If numbers hit above average, it may be caused from physical bias. "Hot numbers" is classic fallacy. You can follow hot numbers and on each spin, or any group of spins, you will find hot numbers spin just as frequently as cold numbers. THAT MEANS BET SELECTION BASED ON REPEATERS IS THE SAME AS RANDOM GUESSING.

Again it is not an opinion. Do you have any idea how much this principle has been tested??? Only on gambling forums is logic, basic math and probability absent.

numbers start flowing in that lovely random like they do - repeaters happen,
more, more - jeez I bet one number shows 10 times in 3 cycles even - would you
have been playing it ? If not then there's no hope. If you would have been playing it -
then you're playing repeaters and hot numbers which we all know can't possibly exist.

Turbo I understand your theories and logic. the problem is you're dead wrong and missing big parts. Ive already explained it all before but you dont get it.

[Steve]

Long term progression do work in other gambling areas

If you dont have an edge first, then progression is nothing more than random bets with different bet size. Its not my opinion. Its just how it is.

[Nimo]

If you dont have an edge first, then progression is nothing more than random bets with different bet size. Its not my opinion. Its just how it is.

Repeats are the edge.  Any random 8 numbers require 42 spins to hit a probability of 99.9964005% to hit (=-(((29/37)^42)-1)) That along with the house edge of -2.7% is the math. 42 spins forget about progression, no table limits would go that high.  However the repeats happen within the confines of that math.  You can't deny they don\t happen and happen like clockwork within each 37 spin cycle.  I know that my bet selection will never go to 42 spins, either in RNG or live as the bet has key numerical points that have to occur within 37 spins, these things happen in random as well as in fixed patterns.

[maestro]

All this time wasted on back and forth squabbling - how about thinking

best joke of all time

[The General]

Repeats are the edge. 

On an RNG wheel, why should repeats hit more frequently than cold numbers, warm numbers, or just random guessing? 

What do you estimate the edge to be on repeat numbers?

[Steve]

Nimo, how do you know which will repeat with better than random accuracy?

[TurboGenius]

All this time wasted on back and forth squabbling - how about thinking.

The bet selection is nonsense.

But some people just dont get it.

Once you eventually understand why methods fail

What are the naysayers saying? You cant make 1+1=3? How dare they.

Turbo you are posting dribble.

Random does not have limits. Maybe you dont really understand it.

Thinking Level Achieved = 0
Don't bother at this point, it's useless.

[Steve]

Turbo, Why didnt you include the long clear explanations of WHY repeaters and hot numbers dont work, along with the software and explanations to prove what I'm saying?

[The General]

What I find irritating is the complete and utter lack of common sense.  The logic is just out the window.  The math...doesn't exist.
And then there are the oxymorons, which don't make any sense either!

All the threads that Turbo Made, is for us, not for him.
He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way.
For them, Who are not Will to, they Will never learn.
No one dares to speak freely about what they think, well i'm sick of it, sick off All the naysayers, of All those Who are bestraying good willing People like 6th Sence and others. You don't win in roulette by deciving People, you win due to study and hard work, and listen to those Who are knowing what they say.
Enough said.

And then there's the absurd like what's written above.  "He truly wants us to learn, but sadly many don't, look past 1 spin and are not willing to put their believe aside, to look at the game in a Different way.  Here we are looking at the long term, but we're told that the long term doesn't matter because nobody will play that long, and then we are told that we can't see past one spin!  So we are to believe that what matters exists somewhere between two spins and something shorter than the long term???   

[Steve]

.. just like flat earthers. Bad logic, poor understanding, everything is a conspiracy, and so convinced everyone else has the problem.

Even when it is all spelled out with facts and information anyone can verify, nope, the earth must be flat.

[jekhb76]

Funny, even my 2,5 year Old Son knows that he is getting his dinner at 5 in the afternoon. Even he doesn't beg for his dinner at 3 O' clock! 
Once i Walk in the kitchen and grap his plate, he Comes Right after me and he knows what Will come next; his dinner!
And guess what; he doesn't even know what Time it is in the First place!
Why would he wait in the kitchen at 11 in the morning, before i crap his plate 6 hours later? Steve, if my 2,5 Son knows, why don't you get it? It's beyond me, really. You Have No comon Sense regarding roulette at all. Hell, i would develp roulette divices myself, if i know, that i never could understand how to win more then lose in roulette in the First place.