Repeaters and Gaps

[Scarface]

Bigbroben, thanks for the testing!  Just wanted to make sure I'm reading this right.  If playing like I suggested, 2s to become 3s, then a 3s to become 4s, etc...looks like, on average you would only play somewhere between 2 to 4 numbers most of the time

[Bigbroben]

Yes, if you played this way.
There is a median of 7 uniques when a first repeater arrives, 4 repeaters when a 2-peater arrives, etc...

Here are the averages:


The previous are just infos and stats. 

[nottophammer]

BBB

what should happen 0x's v 1x's  then 0x's v 1x+>1x

Turbo 1's go 2's, 2's go 3's  you know the rest, but best to wait for 20 spins, he don't win on all he said



Baa,Baa,Baa goes the bleater

[Scarface]

Noto, another strategy would be not to even play the 1 hitters and start with repeaters 

[nottophammer]

Exactly
The above is 148 spins, from 100 sets, showing why he say’s to bet when a number repeats.
And why it’s better to wait till spin 20, BBB and Dr Sudoku have said of this.

[Bigbroben]

Exactly
The above is 148 spins, from 100 sets, showing why he say’s to bet when a number repeats.
And why it’s better to wait till spin 20, BBB and Dr Sudoku have said of this.

I would wait until 4 repeaters are out, maybe?

[nottophammer]

I would wait until 4 repeaters are out, maybe?

Yes BBB already said that, if the four hit before 20th spin,i'd still wait

[nottophammer]

BBB nice set of spins from #18 what we say wait untill 20th spin

[RayManZ]

Here are some more statistics for repeaters. It's from a million random numbers.

The first number is the gap between a number appearing. So if the spins are: 1,31,1. The gap is 2.

So a back to back repeat happens 2.7% of the time for repeat.

This could give a great inside on when to stop betting on a certain number waiting for it to repeat.

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Gap Amount Number % Total%
1: 26957 2.7% (2.7)%
2: 26096 2.6% (5.3)%
3: 25289 2.5% (7.8)%
4: 24951 2.5% (10.3)%
5: 24558 2.5% (12.8)%
6: 23881 2.4% (15.2)%
7: 22864 2.3% (17.5)%
8: 22259 2.2% (19.7)%
9: 21580 2.2% (21.8)%
10: 21019 2.1% (23.9)%
11: 20631 2.1% (26)%
12: 19942 2% (28)%
13: 19578 2% (30)%
14: 19043 1.9% (31.9)%
15: 18389 1.8% (33.7)%
16: 17854 1.8% (35.5)%
17: 17471 1.7% (37.2)%
18: 16853 1.7% (38.9)%
19: 16601 1.7% (40.6)%
20: 16389 1.6% (42.2)%
21: 15516 1.6% (43.8)%
22: 15066 1.5% (45.3)%
23: 14868 1.5% (46.8)%
24: 14277 1.4% (48.2)%
25: 14198 1.4% (49.6)%
26: 13490 1.3% (51)%
27: 13180 1.3% (52.3)%
28: 12623 1.3% (53.5)%
29: 12282 1.2% (54.8)%
30: 12168 1.2% (56)%
31: 11913 1.2% (57.2)%
32: 11654 1.2% (58.3)%
33: 11113 1.1% (59.5)%
34: 11050 1.1% (60.6)%
35: 10622 1.1% (61.6)%
36: 10373 1% (62.7)%
37: 9786 1% (63.6)%
38: 9821 1% (64.6)%
39: 9525 1% (65.6)%
40: 9461 0.9% (66.5)%
41: 8992 0.9% (67.4)%
42: 8772 0.9% (68.3)%
43: 8518 0.9% (69.2)%
44: 8340 0.8% (70)%
45: 8113 0.8% (70.8)%
46: 7920 0.8% (71.6)%
47: 7760 0.8% (72.4)%
48: 7396 0.7% (73.1)%
49: 7354 0.7% (73.8)%
50: 7111 0.7% (74.6)%
51: 6802 0.7% (75.2)%
52: 6670 0.7% (75.9)%
53: 6652 0.7% (76.6)%
54: 6504 0.7% (77.2)%
55: 6143 0.6% (77.8)%
56: 6032 0.6% (78.4)%
57: 5798 0.6% (79)%
58: 5769 0.6% (79.6)%
59: 5563 0.6% (80.1)%
60: 5389 0.5% (80.7)%
61: 5165 0.5% (81.2)%
62: 5057 0.5% (81.7)%
63: 4860 0.5% (82.2)%
64: 4860 0.5% (82.7)%
65: 4620 0.5% (83.1)%
66: 4542 0.5% (83.6)%
67: 4459 0.4% (84)%
68: 4275 0.4% (84.5)%
69: 4175 0.4% (84.9)%
70: 4095 0.4% (85.3)%
71: 3993 0.4% (85.7)%
72: 3906 0.4% (86.1)%
73: 3733 0.4% (86.5)%
74: 3706 0.4% (86.8)%
75: 3470 0.3% (87.2)%
76: 3463 0.3% (87.5)%
77: 3302 0.3% (87.9)%
78: 3312 0.3% (88.2)%
79: 3164 0.3% (88.5)%
80: 3200 0.3% (88.8)%
81: 2942 0.3% (89.1)%
82: 3031 0.3% (89.4)%
83: 2846 0.3% (89.7)%
84: 2808 0.3% (90)%
85: 2765 0.3% (90.3)%
86: 2625 0.3% (90.5)%
87: 2602 0.3% (90.8)%
88: 2525 0.3% (91)%
89: 2333 0.2% (91.3)%
90: 2394 0.2% (91.5)%
91: 2314 0.2% (91.7)%
92: 2245 0.2% (92)%
93: 2156 0.2% (92.2)%
94: 2133 0.2% (92.4)%
95: 2085 0.2% (92.6)%
96: 2071 0.2% (92.8)%
97: 1945 0.2% (93)%
98: 1901 0.2% (93.2)%
99: 1805 0.2% (93.4)%
100: 1807 0.2% (93.6)%
101: 1829 0.2% (93.7)%
102: 1656 0.2% (93.9)%
103: 1668 0.2% (94.1)%
104: 1638 0.2% (94.2)%
105: 1609 0.2% (94.4)%
106: 1485 0.1% (94.5)%
107: 1476 0.1% (94.7)%
108: 1467 0.1% (94.8)%
109: 1416 0.1% (95)%
110: 1349 0.1% (95.1)%
111: 1286 0.1% (95.2)%
112: 1291 0.1% (95.4)%
113: 1286 0.1% (95.5)%
114: 1197 0.1% (95.6)%
115: 1177 0.1% (95.7)%
116: 1151 0.1% (95.8)%
117: 1158 0.1% (96)%
118: 1125 0.1% (96.1)%
119: 1017 0.1% (96.2)%
120: 1015 0.1% (96.3)%
121: 956 0.1% (96.4)%
122: 974 0.1% (96.5)%
123: 962 0.1% (96.6)%
124: 924 0.1% (96.7)%
125: 882 0.1% (96.8)%
126: 921 0.1% (96.8)%
127: 848 0.1% (96.9)%
128: 851 0.1% (97)%
129: 797 0.1% (97.1)%
130: 809 0.1% (97.2)%
131: 760 0.1% (97.2)%
132: 792 0.1% (97.3)%
133: 727 0.1% (97.4)%
134: 694 0.1% (97.5)%
135: 679 0.1% (97.5)%
136: 624 0.1% (97.6)%
137: 642 0.1% (97.7)%
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139: 634 0.1% (97.8)%
140: 616 0.1% (97.9)%
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144: 528 0.1% (98.1)%
145: 535 0.1% (98.1)%
146: 483 0% (98.2)%
147: 483 0% (98.2)%
148: 494 0% (98.3)%
149: 469 0% (98.3)%
150: 458 0% (98.4)%
151: 432 0% (98.4)%
152: 461 0% (98.5)%
153: 415 0% (98.5)%
154: 400 0% (98.5)%
155: 416 0% (98.6)%
156: 370 0% (98.6)%
157: 373 0% (98.7)%
158: 378 0% (98.7)%
159: 365 0% (98.7)%
160: 331 0% (98.8)%
161: 367 0% (98.8)%
162: 333 0% (98.8)%
163: 324 0% (98.9)%
164: 296 0% (98.9)%
165: 309 0% (98.9)%
166: 258 0% (99)%
167: 268 0% (99)%
168: 286 0% (99)%
169: 273 0% (99)%
170: 281 0% (99.1)%
171: 256 0% (99.1)%
172: 245 0% (99.1)%
173: 240 0% (99.1)%
174: 210 0% (99.2)%
175: 229 0% (99.2)%
176: 230 0% (99.2)%
177: 203 0% (99.2)%
178: 226 0% (99.2)%
179: 234 0% (99.3)%
180: 206 0% (99.3)%
181: 191 0% (99.3)%
182: 188 0% (99.3)%
183: 166 0% (99.3)%
184: 183 0% (99.4)%
185: 189 0% (99.4)%
186: 152 0% (99.4)%
187: 175 0% (99.4)%
188: 162 0% (99.4)%
189: 154 0% (99.4)%
190: 171 0% (99.5)%
191: 129 0% (99.5)%
192: 135 0% (99.5)%
193: 146 0% (99.5)%
194: 123 0% (99.5)%
195: 135 0% (99.5)%
196: 131 0% (99.5)%
197: 128 0% (99.6)%
198: 130 0% (99.6)%
199: 107 0% (99.6)%
200: 119 0% (99.6)%
201: 116 0% (99.6)%
202: 94 0% (99.6)%
203: 111 0% (99.6)%
204: 110 0% (99.6)%
205: 97 0% (99.6)%
206: 107 0% (99.7)%
207: 104 0% (99.7)%
208: 82 0% (99.7)%
209: 88 0% (99.7)%
210: 80 0% (99.7)%
211: 97 0% (99.7)%
212: 78 0% (99.7)%
213: 81 0% (99.7)%
214: 72 0% (99.7)%
215: 72 0% (99.7)%
216: 72 0% (99.7)%
217: 66 0% (99.7)%
218: 74 0% (99.8)%
219: 71 0% (99.8)%
220: 63 0% (99.8)%
221: 47 0% (99.8)%
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226: 46 0% (99.8)%
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231: 55 0% (99.8)%
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234: 47 0% (99.8)%
235: 53 0% (99.8)%
236: 39 0% (99.9)%
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238: 35 0% (99.9)%
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240: 38 0% (99.9)%
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242: 24 0% (99.9)%
243: 47 0% (99.9)%
244: 33 0% (99.9)%
245: 34 0% (99.9)%
246: 33 0% (99.9)%
247: 34 0% (99.9)%
248: 29 0% (99.9)%
249: 39 0% (99.9)%
250: 38 0% (99.9)%
251: 28 0% (99.9)%
252: 28 0% (99.9)%
253: 32 0% (99.9)%
254: 27 0% (99.9)%
255: 26 0% (99.9)%
256: 20 0% (99.9)%
257: 27 0% (99.9)%
258: 23 0% (99.9)%
259: 23 0% (99.9)%
260: 18 0% (99.9)%
261: 17 0% (99.9)%
262: 25 0% (99.9)%
263: 18 0% (99.9)%
264: 16 0% (99.9)%
265: 20 0% (99.9)%
266: 17 0% (99.9)%
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268: 19 0% (99.9)%
269: 14 0% (99.9)%
270: 18 0% (99.9)%
271: 17 0% (99.9)%
272: 14 0% (99.9)%
273: 11 0% (99.9)%
274: 20 0% (99.9)%
275: 11 0% (100)%
276: 17 0% (100)%
277: 12 0% (100)%
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280: 14 0% (100)%
281: 12 0% (100)%
282: 11 0% (100)%
283: 17 0% (100)%
284: 8 0% (100)%
285: 16 0% (100)%
286: 12 0% (100)%
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288: 11 0% (100)%
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290: 8 0% (100)%
291: 14 0% (100)%
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295: 6 0% (100)%
296: 12 0% (100)%
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298: 5 0% (100)%
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300: 9 0% (100)%
301: 4 0% (100)%
302: 14 0% (100)%
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305: 9 0% (100)%
306: 3 0% (100)%
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324: 3 0% (100)%
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328: 4 0% (100)%
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330: 1 0% (100)%
331: 3 0% (100)%
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333: 3 0% (100)%
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[DoctorSudoku]

Here are some more statistics for repeaters. It's from a million random numbers.

The first number is the gap between a number appearing. So if the spins are: 1,31,1. The gap is 2.

So a back to back repeat happens 2.7% of the time for repeat.

This could give a great inside on when to stop betting on a certain number waiting for it to repeat.

That is not a surprise at all.

That is exactly what basic probability tells us to expect -- since every spin is an independent event, the probability of a number appearing again on the very next spin is 1/37 = .0270 = 2.7%.

[DoctorSudoku]

That is not a surprise at all.

That is exactly what basic probability tells us to expect -- since every spin is an independent event, the probability of a number appearing again on the very next spin is 1/37 = .0270 = 2.7%.

And if the same simulation is done with 38 numbers (for the double zero wheel), we will see that a back to back repeat will happen 2.6% of the time (1/38 = .026 = 2.6%).

[Mako]

That is not a surprise at all.

That is exactly what basic probability tells us to expect -- since every spin is an independent event, the probability of a number appearing again on the very next spin is 1/37 = .0270 = 2.7%.

Read his post and thought the same thing Doc, sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees....

[Ross]

Some tests I did indicated that after 12 spins
a repeat isn't a repeat.  I haven't gone
any further except to think that if you're
looking at the balance of one-hit numbers
vs repeats you can ignore "repeats" that
haven't hit for 12 spins.

[Bigbroben]

In continuation of what I posted in the KTF thread:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.1530

Started using the 200k MPR spins provided by Steve, gathering stats of spins between 1st repeater and second, also between 2nd and 3rd, with all sorts of other stats.

I'll take 40 spins, process them with the macro, then delete the 5 first numbers, and run again, so on until all will be done.  Should give about 40k trials. 
Ok to remove 5 spins?  I guess so, it's another game started 5 spins later.

It's a slow process, about 2 seconds per trial, as opposed to 10 per second.  Anyway.  Will let it run overnight and see tomorrow.

Who knows, maybe there will be some heretic results!  ( A first 12500 trial was run with random.org spins, sure was an inconvenient truth!)

link:s://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d42cba00-694a-4ff7-bcb9-48faf016199a

[RouletteGhost]

How is Seinfeld related and more puzzling is how “excuse me I’m gonna make love to your motha” from Seinfeld related.

lol