Repeaters and Gaps

[Scarface]

Let's talk repeaters!  I know this is a favorite topic here, and one I've been studying alot lately.  Seems like there are tons of systems based on it, and to me as a system player it makes sense.

Everyone here is familiar with the Law of Third.  Nothing magical about it.  Its basic probability.  Another name for this is the Law of Unequal Distribution.  Basically, on average, you will have about a third of the numbers hit within expectation.  The rest will be a roughly equal split between above expectation or no hit at all.

I ran a test of 3 rounds of 36 spins each for a total of 108 spins.  The worse performing number had 0 hits.  The best had 6.  The worse performing 4 numbers combined had a total of 3 hits.  The best performing 4 numbers had a total of 20 hits.  Big difference!

Had an idea that I have not tested yet, just wanted to get some input, maybe some of you have tried this.  Why not follow the front runners?  Start off betting 1 hits....then when you get first repeater, start betting 2 hits only...once you get the first 3 hit, bet 3 hitters only, etc.

For example, starting out, play whatever number comes out.  If you get a hit in first 8 spins, you're in profit, start over (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36).  If you do not get a hit in first 8 spins, wait until you get the first repeat, the play that number....add every new repeat to your wager until you get your first 3rd repeater.  Once you get your first 3rd repeater, play it only...and add each new 3rd repeater until you get your first 4th repeat.

The gaps between repeats will vary.  Going from 1st repeat to 2nd may be a long gap...but 2nd to 3rd the gap may close.  Gaps have variance just like everything else!  You may see up to 5 or 6 numbers hit there 2nd repeat before the 3rd repeat shows...however you may only see 2 numbers with a third repeat before the 4th shows up. 

I look at it like a race.  There may be a couple numbers stand out in the beginning, only to be passed by others.  But eventually, you will have a couple that takes the lead.  Playing each new crossing will allow you to stay with the front runners.  In 3 rounds of 36 spins, there will be at least 1 number that will hit anywhere from 6 to 9 times....while there will be 1 or 2 numbers that will not hit at all!

In my most recent testing, a third of the numbers underperformed expectation in 3 rounds (108 spins)

[jekhb76]

Let's talk repeaters!  I know this is a favorite topic here, and one I've been studying alot lately.  Seems like there are tons of systems based on it, and to me as a system player it makes sense.

Everyone here is familiar with the Law of Third.  Nothing magical about it.  Its basic probability.  Another name for this is the Law of Unequal Distribution.  Basically, on average, you will have about a third of the numbers hit within expectation.  The rest will be a roughly equal split between above expectation or no hit at all.

I ran a test of 3 rounds of 36 spins each for a total of 108 spins.  The worse performing number had 0 hits.  The best had 6.  The worse performing 4 numbers combined had a total of 3 hits.  The best performing 4 numbers had a total of 20 hits.  Big difference!

Had an idea that I have not tested yet, just wanted to get some input, maybe some of you have tried this.  Why not follow the front runners?  Start off betting 1 hits....then when you get first repeater, start betting 2 hits only...once you get the first 3 hit, bet 3 hitters only, etc.

For example, starting out, play whatever number comes out.  If you get a hit in first 8 spins, you're in profit, start over (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36).  If you do not get a hit in first 8 spins, wait until you get the first repeat, the play that number....add every new repeat to your wager until you get your first 3rd repeater.  Once you get your first 3rd repeater, play it only...and add each new 3rd repeater until you get your first 4th repeat.

The gaps between repeats will vary.  Going from 1st repeat to 2nd may be a long gap...but 2nd to 3rd the gap may close.  Gaps have variance just like everything else!  You may see up to 5 or 6 numbers hit there 2nd repeat before the 3rd repeat shows...however you may only see 2 numbers with a third repeat before the 4th shows up. 

I look at it like a race.  There may be a couple numbers stand out in the beginning, only to be passed by others.  But eventually, you will have a couple that takes the lead.  Playing each new crossing will allow you to stay with the front runners.  In 3 rounds of 36 spins, there will be at least 1 number that will hit anywhere from 6 to 9 times....while there will be 1 or 2 numbers that will not hit at all!

In my most recent testing, a third of the numbers underperformed expectation in 3 rounds (108 spins)

I did study this gameplay up over a few hundred hours. It is best to let the 1 hit numbers go!
Start with the repeaters and build from there. not from the first spin until you get your first repeat.
Every now and then you will have your first repeat in the 20+ spinline, you will be way behind then when you gonna start with your second race, the repeats.
So start with repeats and don't play longer then spin 300-350. at that point, the numbers that stayed behind are trying to catch up with the front runners, making the gaps between hits much longer.

Just some good advice, from someone who is second nature is repeaters 

[Scarface]

I did study this gameplay up over a few hundred hours. It is best to let the 1 hit numbers go!
Start with the repeaters and build from there. not from the first spin until you get your first repeat.
Every now and then you will have your first repeat in the 20+ spinline, you will be way behind then when you gonna start with your second race, the repeats.
So start with repeats and don't play longer then spin 300-350. at that point, the numbers that stayed behind are trying to catch up with the front runners, making the gaps between hits much longer.

Just some good advice, from someone who is second nature is repeaters 

Thanks jekhb for the input.  I, personally would play the first 1 hit numbers if I seen no repeat in the last 8 spins.  If no repeat in last 8, I will play up to 8 numbers.  HOWEVER, if no hit in the first 8 I will stop....then wait for the first repeat and start betting only repeats at that point

[jekhb76]

Thanks jekhb for the input.  I, personally would play the first 1 hit numbers if I seen no repeat in the last 8 spins.  If no repeat in last 8, I will play up to 8 numbers.  HOWEVER, if no hit in the first 8 I will stop....then wait for the first repeat and start betting only repeats at that point

Yes, that's indeed a better option to start with. 

[Scarface]

I encourage some to test this if they have not before.  What number is the 1st repeater?  The 2nd?  The 3rd?  Did one of the first 3 1 repeaters become a 3rd repeater?  Did one of the first 3 repeaters become the first 4th repeater?

Also, test the spreads!  What is the difference of best performing number vs worse in 36 spins?  72 spins? 108 spins?

Follow those front runners!  Keeps the variance low, and keeps the number of wagers low. 

[jekhb76]

I encourage some to test this if they have not before.  What number is the 1st repeater?  The 2nd?  The 3rd?  Did one of the first 3 1 repeaters become a 3rd repeater?  Did one of the first 3 repeaters become the first 4th repeater?

Follow those front runners!  Keeps the variance low, and keeps the number of wagers low.

I will lend you in a secret.
Most of the time (90-95%) The first 2 numbers that become a repeat (2) are most of the time the first to become a 3.
Test it. 

[Scarface]

Another suggestion might be to limit chasing front runners until a certain spin count (maybe 3 cycles or 108 spins).  Or either limit chasing frontrunners until you hit a certain number of repeats (maybe 6 to 9).

I just tested this again since my last post.  The first repeat I got was on #13.  The first 2nd repeater was also 13...so was the 3rd, 4th, etc.  13 stayed the frontrunner.  In less than 60 spins, 13 hit 6 times.

[Scarface]

I will lend you in a secret.
Most of the time (90-95%) The first 2 numbers that become a repeat (2) are most of the time the first to become a 3.
Test it. 

Jekh, maybe limiting our wages to no more than first 3 will give good results.  I don't know, but will be worth testing.  From previous test, seems like most of the time it's one of the first

[jekhb76]

Jekh, maybe limiting our wages to no more than first 3 will give good results.  I don't know, but will be worth testing.  From previous test, seems like most of the time it's one of the first

Correct. Good observations. 

[ignatus]

As you said, you need to re-track/re-start after X-number of repeats. Mr.J's 'catch the 8-train' is one of the best systems when it comes to repeaters/hotnumbers, i think, i did some testing in RX, (and tried to bet the 2-3 hottest numbers for a longer time, BUT that didn't work so well... after it go beyond X-numbers of repeats... (it's only in the beginning these "hot numbers" are "hot"), then they fall asleep , im most cases

So 'catch the 8 train' ---Let's say, BET first number hit 3 times, Now you wait for a Hit (or a second hotnumber hit 3 times, -that will be bet also- and so on, every number hit 3 times are bet UNTIL you get 1 hit a (number hittin 4 times) Now , you remove all bets and bet that single 4-repeater--- (and repeat procedure) bet all number hit 4 times until you get a hit...a 5-repeater and so on....

[nottophammer]

Al Capone; scarface
This is what i used on MPR, it's just bet from spin 1, bet the 4 hottest.
Stakes 1x's at 1 units; R1 at 5 units; R2 at 25 units, the Turbo 1,5,25 had 75 on #19

I set the game at 1000 units like MPR, so it got close to bust, but i got up to 20000 units on MPR then blew the lot by betting more than the 4 hottest, i had too many #'s with 100 unit and instead of stopping at 14000 i just carried on, needed to be able to bet bigger units

[Scarface]

Ignatius, thanks I will have to check that system out soon!  Have you had success with it?

Nottophammer, does your progression go from 1 to 75?  Too steep for me!  I prefer a strategy that recovers in 2 or 3 hits with less progression.  I think it can be done easily with repeaters.  Just need a good bet selection with few numbers

[The General]

Notto,

Why did you quit at spin 49?  Why only 49 spins in your graph?  Why not run it for 10k spins, or 100k spins?

If this is an RNG wheel, then what's the difference between a hot number and a cold number...meaning why would a hot number be more likely to hit than a cool one?

[Steve]

Why did you quit at spin 49?  Why only 49 spins in your graph?  Why not run it for 10k spins, or 100k spins?

Because he will never play that many spins in his lifetime. Duh. Dont you get it??

If this is an RNG wheel, then what's the difference between a hot number and a cold number...meaning why would a hot number be more likely to hit than a cool one?

Because.

[The General]

Because he will never play that many spins in his lifetime. Duh. Dont you get it??

Because.

I suspect certain system testers are in curve fitting denial mode.