If your system relies on....

[The General]

Common sense should tell you that a system isn't worth dirt...

1. If it relies on quitting while ahead or winning just a specific amount.
2. If it requires running just the right up as you lose progression to recoup losses.
3. If It relies on the "human element."
4. If it can't win flat betting.
5. If you need to wear green socks and quit at spin 11,12, or spin 15.
6. If the system is named after fried chicken or sounds similar.

[ignatus]

4. If it can't win flat betting.

so, tell me, how many number you bet?

What is your trigger? you playin hotnumbers or what..

[The General]

so, tell me, how many number you bet?

What is your trigger? you playin hotnumbers or what..

You ask wise questions.

Not all hot numbers are equal.  Some hot numbers are hot because they are biased.

When I play visual ballistics,  I play only the numbers that have a strong edge.  When playing vb usually 8 to 13 numbers, but sometimes with some dealers I may only play a few to reduce attention.
When playing bias, I play only the biased numbers and then a little camoflauge using smaller units on a few of the random goats.  If there are five numbers, then I play all five.  If there's only one, then I play only one.  If there are ten biased numbers, then I play ten.   There is however no correct number of numbers to play for all plays.  It varies by wheel.

My triggers are definitely not the same as other peoples triggers.  Mine are related to the accuracy of the prediction or that statistical relevance of a biased number.

Best of luck,

The General

[precogmiles]

You ask wise questions.

Not all hot numbers are equal.  Some hot numbers are hot because they are biased.

When I play visual ballistics,  I play only the numbers that have a strong edge.  When playing vb usually 8 to 13 numbers, but sometimes with some dealers I may only play a few to reduce attention.
When playing bias, I play only the biased numbers and then a little camoflauge using smaller units on a few of the random goats.  If there are five numbers, then I play all five.  If there's only one, then I play only one.  If there are ten biased numbers, then I play ten.   There is however no correct number of numbers to play for all plays.  It varies by wheel.

My triggers are definitely not the same as other peoples triggers.  Mine are related to the accuracy of the prediction or that statistical relevance of a biased number.

Best of luck,

The General

Very wise answer.

[Winner]

You ask wise questions.

Not all hot numbers are equal.  Some hot numbers are hot because they are biased.

When I play visual ballistics,  I play only the numbers that have a strong edge.  When playing vb usually 8 to 13 numbers, but sometimes with some dealers I may only play a few to reduce attention.
When playing bias, I play only the biased numbers and then a little camoflauge using smaller units on a few of the random goats.  If there are five numbers, then I play all five.  If there's only one, then I play only one.  If there are ten biased numbers, then I play ten.   There is however no correct number of numbers to play for all plays.  It varies by wheel.

My triggers are definitely not the same as other peoples triggers.  Mine are related to the accuracy of the prediction or that statistical relevance of a biased number.

Best of luck,

The General

Since this is a forum is full of system plAyers I think it would be best to find like minded people to discuss VB . system players here don't care about Vb. So your wasting your time Generale.

[maestro]

is this shitt from the picture has binomial distribution

[Kattila]

General ,
Maybe you do win with AP, VB, DS , no problem with that , happy for you 
i also play sometimes DS.
But try to not put down all ideas, systems from forums, others can win in another way.
You always say that the winner must be based on the accuracy of the prediction,
not 100% true , others can win using statistics , common sense , good MM.

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1


Like Winner says this is more system players forum , we don t care about AP.....
I know we have to test systems long term , at least 100k , better for 1 million,
but who can win that way ? i doubt someone can .
I have enough with 100k,   200 k  flat bet, then if i decide to use progression
(positive) it s my decision.
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Off topic,

There are i few * smarts* on the other forum( gambling...) which also (most of them)
plays Systems ,progressions, But they call us idiots, morons..., they quote from here and
make comments, shameful .....Mr j, ND, Gizmo, Bago.....

[Bigbroben]

Common sense should tell you that a system isn't worth dirt...

1. If it relies on quitting while ahead or winning just a specific amount.
2. If it requires running just the right up as you lose progression to recoup losses.
3. If It relies on the "human element."
4. If it can't win flat betting.
5. If you need to wear green socks and quit at spin 11,12, or spin 15.
6. If the system is named after fried chicken or sounds similar.

Common sense should tell you that a system isn't going to  ...

1. Fly if it is heavier than air (we now have airplanes)
2. float if it is heavier than water ( we now have  boats).
3. transfer voice or image over internet ( we had VOIP and now way more)
4. spin around the sun ( Earth is now moving around the sun).
5. ....

We still have to find systems that allow:

1. Ice cream not to melt.
2. Hair not to fall.
3. Gas price not to climb.
4. My wife not to scream.

You gotta admit: researchers are doing a great job  so far...

[Taotie]

4. My wife not to scream.

Mission impossible.

[Herby]

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

{2.714 "%", 5.317 "%", 7.398 "%", 9.167 "%", 10.20 "%", 10.56 "%",
10.36 "%", 9.586 "%", 8.375 "%", 7.094 "%", 5.699 "%", 4.391 "%",
3.180 "%", 2.244 "%", 1.504 "%", 0.9494 "%", 0.5697 "%", 0.3287 "%",
0.1842 "%", 0.1030 "%", 0.04570 "%", 0.02188 "%", 0.009693 "%",
0.002769 "%", 0.0008308 "%", 0, 0.0002769 "%"}

[Herby]

Probability of the first repeat of any shown number (in %)

{{1,2.7027},{2,5.25931},{3,7.46254},{4,9.14329},
{5,10.1935},{6,10.5792},{7,10.341},{8,9.58236},
{9,8.44931},{10,7.10453},{11,5.70282},{12,4.3717},
{13,3.2},{14,2.23535},{15,1.48879},{16,0.944243},
{17,0.569417},{18,0.325898},{19,0.176651},{20,0.0904612},
{21,0.0436414},{22,0.0197706},{23,0.00837944},{24,0.00330845},
{25,0.00121086},{26,0.000408421},{27,0.000126093},{28,0.0000353412},{29,8.90354×10-6},{30,1.99147×10-6},{31,3.89324×10-7},
{32,6.51701×10-8},{33,9.08199×10-9},{34,1.01159×10-9},
{35,8.44331×10-11},{36,4.69435×10-12}}

Kattilas values fit very good to the theretically calculated values.

[Kattila]

Not mine,, it s from  member Luckoftheirish, I think he tested over
30 millions spins.

[The General]

Common sense should tell you that a system isn't going to  ...

1. Fly if it is heavier than air (we now have airplanes)
2. float if it is heavier than water ( we now have  boats).
3. transfer voice or image over internet ( we had VOIP and now way more)
4. spin around the sun ( Earth is now moving around the sun).
5. ....

We still have to find systems that allow:

1. Ice cream not to melt.
2. Hair not to fall.
3. Gas price not to climb.
4. My wife not to scream.

You gotta admit: researchers are doing a great job  so far...

Ermm..you know we have this new invention called math, and it says that I'm correct.   

By the way, you know the Earth is round, right?

[Ricky]

Some hot numbers are hot because they are biased.

How do you determine the biased numbers? You can either do a General does looking at the dealer and the wheel and see which sectors are getting hit more often. But all this information in general is captured in the statisical results of the most recent spins. Lets say the last 148 spins (4 cycles of 37 spins). I believe you can analyse information in the attached screen and determine if the wheel is experiencing a tendency to certain numbers or whether there is an equal distribution of numbers. Biased wheels will tend to show more repeats within shorter timeframes between repeats. unbiased wheels will see most numbers record the mean number of repeats over a longer timeframe.

So how can you use this information? I believe you wait until you see 5 numbers with a StdDev of repeats > 0 with all other numbers either showing the mean or below. This would indicate there is a strong bias towards those 5 numbers. If this is the case then you are going to get a hit on these numbers more often. So use this as a trigger. When one of these numbers show start betting all 5 numbers for say 5 spins. Or use a progression. With each hit add 1 unit to all 5 numbers. If a miss reset back to 1 unit. Decide to limit bets to 5 or only 2 and then wait again for another trigger of one of these numbers.

Using the above strategy we can mimic the style of the General without having to use any computer equipment to calculate ball velocity and wheel rotation to increase prediction. This bias will show up in the statistics over time. If there is no bias then the wheel will be perfectly balanced and numbers will come out randomly with no particular favour.

Cheers,
Ricky

[The General]

How do you determine the biased numbers? You can either do a General does looking at the dealer and the wheel and see which sectors are getting hit more often. But all this information in general is captured in the statisical results of the most recent spins. Lets say the last 148 spins (4 cycles of 37 spins). I believe you can analyse information in the attached screen and determine if the wheel is experiencing a tendency to certain numbers or whether there is an equal distribution of numbers. Biased wheels will tend to show more repeats within shorter timeframes between repeats. unbiased wheels will see most numbers record the mean number of repeats over a longer timeframe.

So how can you use this information? I believe you wait until you see 5 numbers with a StdDev of repeats > 0 with all other numbers either showing the mean or below. This would indicate there is a strong bias towards those 5 numbers. If this is the case then you are going to get a hit on these numbers more often. So use this as a trigger. When one of these numbers show start betting all 5 numbers for say 5 spins. Or use a progression. With each hit add 1 unit to all 5 numbers. If a miss reset back to 1 unit. Decide to limit bets to 5 or only 2 and then wait again for another trigger of one of these numbers.

Using the above strategy we can mimic the style of the General without having to use any computer equipment to calculate ball velocity and wheel rotation to increase prediction. This bias will show up in the statistics over time. If there is no bias then the wheel will be perfectly balanced and numbers will come out randomly with no particular favour.

Cheers,
Ricky

Ricky,

I don't use any kind of computer at the table.
You kind of close on some of your ideas, but not quite there on some of it, but I like the way you're thinking.

Bias and VB aren't the same thing.  With bias the dealer is somewhat irrelevant, other than  what their ball preference and wheel speed preferences are and their effect on ball scatter/bounce.

I defect spot a wheel to see if it's biased.  I then formulate a prediction and will collect data to confirm the bias, then formulate a new prediction are retest.  But I don't just look at a few hundred spins.  I often look at several thousands of spins and run fitness tests on the data using chi square and standard deviation testing. 
That being said, there are some biases that you can pretty much play on sight, and that do only require a minimal amount of testing.  I have considered describing a couple on here, but I don't know that it would be any value to some of the shorter attention spans guys that are testing systems for 12 to 38 spins at a time.  LOL.

Now here's something that you said that I like, and it's something that I did test and experiment with in the past.    Yes, some biased numbers do tend to repeat more than other numbers.  When I say repeat, I mean hit back to back.  I did use to experiment with graphing the number of times a number would repeat over thousands of spins, and would use it as a flag for finding some numbers.  I also did the same thing by looking at cluster horizons by graphing each time a number would hit...say four times in 20 spins.  Each time the event happened, it would graph as a single occurrence.  Over thousands of trials, it DID often flag the biased number and numbers that would sometimes cluster with a biased number.   (Yes, biased numbers of course hit more, so they repeat more.)