37 back to basics

[MoneyT101]

Carpediem posted this a few months ago. I think it's very insightful. I think there is something there. I can't interpret it but I think it's there. I just can't figure it out. I have tried very hard. I very much appreciate all the help Gordon and others have posted. I just can't get there unfortunately. I do believe there is something though.

Im sorry if i havent responded to some of the PM you guys sent me. The main issue i see is what Drazen spoke about.  I will speak more about CarpeDiem post below...

What fascinates me is that on one side you have people saying how simple it is once you know the solution...

On the other hand, you have riddle after riddle, after riddle... Sunrise, Sunset, 2 planets, rotations, what not...
You have layer upon layer upon layer of mathematical principles, theorems and concepts used to create the bet...

The problem is that many different approaches were shared to open your understanding.  Then the riddles were done to give you the ideas of what you need to accomplish using the new understanding.

So yes i admit that it can be confusing.  But all you need to do is ask yourself specific questions and have a good understanding of the information you are breaking down using the concepts.

Now Carpediem has shared the best direct approach on the rouletteforum!  Yes there are riddles in his message but he also shared how to solve it.  I suggest you focus on his last two post.  Dont overthink it. 

At the end of the day all riddles lead to balance and you cant see it unless you see the dependency

[MoneyT101]

At the end of the day all riddles lead to balance and you cant see it unless you see the dependency

Badger - Am not claiming that I know the solution. That puts me in a place where am not qualified to say this approach is right or wrong. However pigeon hole pricinple, friends and strangers theorem does have legs and we will have to do some kind of pairing to create dependencies. So yeah, we need to think in the direction you are stating here if we have to induce dependencies.

This even goes all the way back to Pri...

My point is again... Everything shared all comes down to the same thing as confusing as it might seem right now.

Even Pri shared exact approach very nonchalantly

[Irish88]

So the thing that really resonates with me is that he says the numbers don't matter. You can replace them with animals, types of cars, or 37 different names of people. There are no dozens, no columns, no colors, no even chances. It's just a table of numbers I guess but it could 37 of anything.

Correct?

[MoneyT101]

So the thing that really resonates with me is that he says the numbers don't matter. You can replace them with animals, types of cars, or 37 different names of people. There are no dozens, no columns, no colors, no even chances. It's just a table of numbers I guess but it could 37 of anything.

Correct?

I just want you to keep in mind this is nothing new!

Dykselic said... "Roulette has NOTHING to do with numbers if you replaced the numbers with pictures of bunny rabbits, this mathematical principle would STILL hold true"

Dykselic said... "RNG Roulette as we all KNOW consists of 37 SEPARATE numbers. However, as I previously explained, the numbers are really just 'PLACE' holders,
 and could easily be replaced with ANY other 37 'PLACE' holders (e.g 37 colours, 37 animals, 37 pictures of 'Forum Haters' etc."

Now go back to CarpeDiem last post about 200 cubes.... random happens in between but the overall outcome is the same

This holds true if you use colors/animals/forum haters lol

[MoneyT101]

Lets go back to the riddles

Using the 200 cubes your goal is to know when the bag will be empty.  It didnt matter if cube 1 came out first or cube 66.  All the random happening doent matter.

Your goal is FINAL and its always the same

Your Final goal always happens each and every time.  So you need to make sure you win when it happens.

Now you dont know when it will happen all you know is that it will.  Sometimes it happens fast and sometimes it takes an eternity.

So How can you survive long enough?

Make more similar goals that are Final!  Make it so that a goal cant happen without another goal! OR make it so that if a final Goal occurs another similar goal cant

Sunrise Sunset happen at the same time in different places.. but cant happen in the same place at the same time.

When you construct a game (bet):
You look for a continuum process.  When you know something has to happen, you will "tune" your session to match that Certainty.

The  (only true)  goal is to discover the dependant nature of events. Until you get that, you have no bet.

[Irish88]

Well using the cubes analogy by Carpe after 200 pulls your bag will be empty, if you pull one cube at a time. There are 37 place holders on the wheel/table......is this how we should be looking at it?

I think I am confused because after 37 spins, all the numbers/placeholders are not pulled. Due to a number hitting more then once and numbers not being pulled if you compare it the same way as the bag analogy.

 If you put the 37 roulette numbers in bag and took the corresponding number out of the bag after it was spun at a real roulette table you would still have numbers left in the bag after 37 spins.

[MoneyT101]

Well using the cubes analogy by Carpe after 200 pulls your bag will be empty, if you pull one cube at a time. There are 37 place holders on the wheel/table......is this how we should be looking at it?

I think I am confused because after 37 spins, all the numbers/placeholders are not pulled. Due to a number hitting more then once and numbers not being pulled if you compare it the same way as the bag analogy.

 If you put the 37 roulette numbers in bag and took the corresponding number out of the bag after it was spun at a real roulette table you would still have numbers left in the bag after 37 spins.

You guys over think it to much but here I'll share...


Empty bag = balanced state

Balance state = beginning of new cycle

[Irish88]

Ok but Carpe posted cycles and statistics will get you nowhere. A repeat is the end of one cycle and the beginning of a new cycle. So cycles do matter?

[MoneyT101]

Ok but Carpe posted cycles and statistics will get you nowhere. A repeat is the end of one cycle and the beginning of a new cycle. So cycles do matter?

All i did was point it out for you and make it clear.

Now you know the balance state.  No more guessing.

If you are only observing the effect, you'll get nowhere.

Only looking at cycles will get you nowhere.  But cycles are needed!

Unless you see the dependancies, and use them to get to a balanced state, you will get nowhere.

At the end of the day all riddles lead to balance and you cant see it unless you see the dependency

[MoneyT101]

This image is to answer a question i got in PM



This is what it looks like after all 37 number show up and 1 repeat

1 number/ 1 Group is always ahead

LH 19 18
EO 19 18
RB 18 19
Dozenz 13 12 12
Columns 12 13 12
Straight 36 numbers 1 hit and 1 number 2 hits= 0 1

The spin before the repeat they are all even( 18/18 12/12/12)

During the cycle one group might get ahead and another might fall behind.  But you set the rules.  A cycle doesnt start/end until a repeat.  You decide whats the overall repeat for you but in this case its a Straight number.

Now ask yourself a question.  What am i looking at?  This should also answer the other part about dependencies

[Rond1nell1x]

MoneyT101, I really appreciate your contributions!

I was rereading your tips and the last 2 posts by Carpediem as you suggested.

talking about direct numbers, I have a question:

Dependency can only be created from opposite pairs. Am I right?

[Irish88]

MoneyT101, I really appreciate your contributions!

I was rereading your tips and the last 2 posts by Carpediem as you suggested.

talking about direct numbers, I have a question:

Dependency can only be created from opposite pairs. Am I right?

For ex 1 and 19?

[Rond1nell1x]

Irish88
Carpediem said there are 2 games to follow:

The only and i mean only way to stay ahead is to bet knowingly. Unless you see the dependancies, and use them to get to a balanced state, you will get nowhere. Once (!) you know the balanced state, you have an option: *to Choose chaotically, or orderly*. The choice is yours.


I believe I am following the chaotic way. That's all I can say for now.

[Irish88]

Irish88
Carpediem said there are 2 games to follow:

The only and i mean only way to stay ahead is to bet knowingly. Unless you see the dependancies, and use them to get to a balanced state, you will get nowhere. Once (!) you know the balanced state, you have an option: *to Choose chaotically, or orderly*. The choice is yours.


I believe I am following the chaotic way. That's all I can say for now.

Ok I very much appreciate you and Money T answering my questions. All I can do is try. Thank you to Gordon and Carpe also.

[MoneyT101]

Dependency can only be created from opposite pairs. Am I right?

No!  Look at my post from before with the image. Once you know how to use the dependency then the opposite pairs help solve the rest. You can see the wins and will stay ahead but you wont always get 100%. To make it bulletproof you have to create the same game but with a stitched bet.  At this point you would know how to do it or atleast have an idea of how to do it.

For ex 1 and 19?

Yea 1 and 19 are opposites and you can say 2 and 20
so is 1 and 2 or 35 and 36

I wrote something and just deleted it cause im doing the work for you.  But just look at the details above. Subtle but its there staring you in the face