Turbo's System, Logic, Common Sense, and a Square

[Moxy]

That's a great idea. Fill it with deluded lack of logic from ONLY inexperienced players. You always had great suggestions maestro. 

Steve,

You seem thoroughly invested in the trials and tribulations of TG for whatever reason.  But, if he really had something concrete, he would've played MPR.   Or just ignore this site altogether.  Why would he even bother with the standing offer of 100k.  I just can't fathom that.

As I said, you are clearly an intelligent person.  And as BlueJay stated (on his 30k offer):  I'll probably never know if an hg exists because why would anyone with a clear mind disclose their hg for only that much when they can earn that in a short time span.   That applies to your offer as well and I'm sure you see the practical point in this.   

Among the folks on here, this logic doesn't register with them because they don't have anything that would resemble an hg.   So they don't know the value of it.  Bluejay is nothing if not a practical and level headed person for that alone. 

I know its practical value.   It's at the very least millions upon millions (100's even) of dollars in how much one can accrue over varying time.  Yet, I'm perplexed why you still waste your precious time on Turbo, and whomever, and ignore what's in front of you.

[The General]

I actually wanted you to write the forward Steve - I wasn't kidding.
Why not begin the book that's purpose is to teach and show others how to win with the opposite side of the coin that says it's impossible ? 
I think it's a great idea. Just keep it basic - like "The house payout is less than any location appearing" and "There are always the same number of pockets on the wheel no matter what has happened", etc etc - a few paragraphs.
So far it's been a great experience working on it -
Proving that the "Gambler's Fallacy" is actually a fallacy itself is good.
Also explaining patterns and how to exploit them.
I still have a ways to go. It would be interesting to make a thread about what specific topics people find most interesting to cover, but that thread would just turn into nonsense I'm sure. I'm pretty sure I'll have all the bases covered.

Let me get this straight.  You want to write a book that says that all of the experts are wrong, and that the gambler's fallacy is a fallacy?    

So what are you going to write for proof in your book?  Are you going to show the math that proves that your right?
You know..that two is greater than one, and three is greater than two?  Are you going to tell them that you win because the wheel is random and that math beats a math game?  You know those arguments should convince mathematicians and experts everywhere to wake up and rewrite history!   

[Moxy]

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[The General]

The general keeps saying it's common sense and that we are dumb not to see that hot numbers don't work, but there is no contradiction between believing they can and the fact that the probability is 1/37 and fixed because the number of pockets don't change. Every number could come out according to its expectation in the long term but still it may be better to bet on numbers which are currently trending. These trending numbers will cool off and other previously cold numbers will become hot, so it's not as though you need a biased wheel in order to exploit the phenomenon.

Coder,

(On the single zero wheel)  If the wheel is random, then why would the long term expectation be something different than 1/37?  If the wheel is random, then why should a hot number be any more likely to hit, once you begin betting on it than a cold number?  You have NO way of knowing whether a number will remain hot or become cold once you begin betting on it! Can you see the logic problem that you're having here???

You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV.   Do you guys know why?  I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.

[wiggy]

You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV.   Do you guys know why?  I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.

That's interesting because I did a tour of the UK recently enjoying the warm weather and practically every casino I  went into had one of these Interblock 00 wheels. They have sprung up from nowhere.

[jekhb76]

You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV.   Do you guys know why?  I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.

On a table with two zeros, the house edge is 5.26%. That’s one of the highest house advantages in the casino.

On a triple zero roulette table, the house edge jumps up to 7.69%.
Within 10 years, it will be All over the world! Goodbye systems.

[IVO]

On a table with two zeros, the house edge is 5.26%. That’s one of the highest house advantages in the casino.

On a triple zero roulette table, the house edge jumps up to 7.69%.
Within 10 years, it will be All over the world! Goodbye systems.

numbers always will repeat and that is fact. I say hello to TG 

[Andre Chass]

numbers always will repeat and that is fact. I say hello to TG 

Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.

[jekhb76]

Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.

You don't Have to be 100% Right, only a few hits is enough 

[Moxy]

Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.

I believe you're valuing of the hg is quite improper or you most likely don't have anything concrete either.  I'd say the latter.  Just being real here.

[Andre Chass]

You don't Have to be 100% Right, only a few hits is enough 

That's called "betting on hot numbers and chasing your losses using a progression"

That's not original about the strategy.

If you pick up some random numbers and bet them the result will be the same. Try do it.

[TurboGenius]

You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV.   Do you guys know why?  I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.

When basing your play on hot numbers, there can be a 000 wheel, a 0000 wheel or a 00000 wheel "General". It doesn't matter how many there are. I say they might as well put in another street 37,38,39 and make the payout 37:1  (I'm kidding)
The bigger the house edge, the longer it would take me to win the same amount - that would be the only drawback.
Now if they made the game so that it was no longer random, I'd have to start from scratch which I have no intention of doing.

[TurboGenius]

If you pick up some random numbers and bet them the result will be the same. Try do it.

Yes, that's how you have a "control group" vs a working method - when you chart the control group long term, you lose to the house edge due to the math. When you use a working method, the chart climbs and never approaches the house edge.
(Kind of like my R.Sim chart. Do you think if I just picked "any random numbers" my chart would look like it does ? No, it would be negative)
Putting a system up against "just pick any numbers" will show pretty quickly what has merit and what doesn't.

Like thinking... "I want to sell my worthless system to people"
So pick 20 people randomly on the street and ask them to buy it. They all say no.
Then pick 20 people on a forum and try it - one might bite but not in your case.

[cht]

Wow that's one of the most absurd statements that I've read recently.
I know of a few C++ guys that are mathematicians that are making a fortune in the markets.  Some trade currency on the commercial side and others run very sophisticated trading bots.  In order to trade at that level you need to be very well educated in math.

Then on the more well known sides we have Dr. Thorp, and had Dr. Claude Shannon.

Do you just make this stuff up so that you can feel better about yourself not having an education?   Is that how that works?

You are widely read. Everything you wrote comes from what you read, mostly from google and wiki.

You have zero experience in the finance industry. Let me repeat that - you have ZERO experience in the finance industry. Now sit down.

Keep your bluffs to roulette. Even that you do badly - it's still all google and wiki from you.

Too bad your writing is not as persuasive as steve.

I am a qualified chartered accountant in the investment banking sector- compliance for 3decades. now a retiree and a full-time trader mostly with bots in options and futures market.

Ps. Don't reply. No more post about this.

[Nimo]

Obviously some numbers will repeat. (Nobody here is retarded), well I dont think so) The problem is which numbers and when they will repeat.

The ones that become hot as your playing.

This chart is flat betting.  Aggressive progression would have netted thousands.