Turbo's System, Logic, Common Sense, and a Square

[The General]

You are widely read. Everything you wrote comes from what you read, mostly from google and wiki.

You have zero experience in the finance industry. Let me repeat that - you have ZERO experience in the finance industry. Now sit down.

Keep your bluffs to roulette. Even that you do badly - it's still all google and wiki from you.

Too bad your writing is not as persuasive as steve.

I am a qualified chartered accountant in the investment banking sector- compliance for 3decades. now a retiree and a full-time trader mostly with bots in options and futures market.

Ps. Don't reply. No more post about this.

Sorry CHT,

But I just don't believe you.   Regardless, best of luck.  You're going to need it.

[Joe]

Coder,

(On the single zero wheel)  If the wheel is random, then why would the long term expectation be something different than 1/37?  If the wheel is random, then why should a hot number be any more likely to hit, once you begin betting on it than a cold number?  You have NO way of knowing whether a number will remain hot or become cold once you begin betting on it! Can you see the logic problem that you're having here???

General,
I'm not having the logic problem, you are. I said there's no contradiction in each number hitting 1/37 in the long run and the possibility of picking numbers higher than expectation in the short run. Where is the maths that says this isn't possible? The maths only talks about the long run (the law of large numbers). You're correct to say there's no way of knowing that a number will remain hot once we begin betting on it, but we only have to be able to choose correctly a little more often than we're wrong in order to make a profit.

I like to bet on hot numbers when I play, and it "seems" to work better than betting on cold or random numbers. However I'm quite happy to admit that I'm wrong about this. I've never done any proper testing using statistical methods but I'm about to do this and will publish my findings on the forum. You're quite welcome to say "I told you so" if the results show no benefit at all. Even if that's the case I'll probably go on using systems and doing research because it's fun.

And IMO saying the outcomes are "random" is just a convenient cop-out. Of course if "random" means unpredictable it seems absurd to attempt to predict the outcomes, because then we're trying to "predict the unpredictable", which is nonsense. But "random" also has  different characteristics and distributions depending on what you're looking at and these characteristics are not identical for the short and long run.

You know I'm seeing more an more triple zero roulette wheels in LV.   Do you guys know why?  I could tell you why, but it wouldn't please many of you.

Yes of course I know why. You presume that we're all innumerate on this forum just because we use systems, but it's not the case. I have studied statistics at degree level and have done further courses online. In fact I'm sure I'm more knowledgeable about the subject than you are. 

[The General]

1, You're correct to say there's no way of knowing that a number will remain hot once we begin betting on it, but we only have to be able to choose correctly a little more often than we're wrong in order to make a profit.

2. And IMO saying the outcomes are "random" is just a convenient cop-out. Of course if "random" means unpredictable it seems absurd to attempt to predict the outcomes, because then we're trying to "predict the unpredictable", which is nonsense. But "random" also has  different characteristics and distributions depending on what you're looking at and these characteristics are not identical for the short and long run.

Paragraph two seems to be contradicting paragraph one.  Regarding paragraph one.  If the game is random then you can't predict better than what probability predicts in the long run.  You also can't predict worse than probability would predict.  If there's 38 pockets on the wheel, then the best you can hope for, regardless of how hard you try is 1/38.  If there's 37 pockets on your wheel, then it's of course 1/37.  (Yes, in the long run.  And yes, in the short run variance (luck) will create fluctuations. 

Random is random.  Claiming that you can predict random is a kind of oxymoron.

Yes of course I know why. You presume that we're all innumerate on this forum just because we use systems, but it's not the case. I have studied statistics at degree level and have done further courses online. In fact I'm sure I'm more knowledgeable about the subject than you are. 

Cough, cough.  If you say so.    However, your posts create a different impression.   

[Joe]

Random is random.  Claiming that you can predict random is a kind of oxymoron.
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I agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.

[maestro]

I agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.

nice one

[nottophammer]

I agree, didn't I just say that in my last post? But I reject your definition of random. I don't believe that any event is random in the sense that it's 100% unpredictable and always will be. It would be illogical, I agree, to work on systems if I believed that outcomes are random according to your definition, but I don't, so I'm not being illogical. To me, "random" just means that we haven't yet figured out or found the right patterns or causes. There is nothing which is inherently random; random is a function of our ignorance.

nice one

I'll 2nd that Maestro 

[TurboGenius]

Just a heads up.....before you ask Caleb (The General) any questions, make sure there is a good response in Google.
If you cant find an answer in google or WIKI, he probably wont reply.

lol

[Goswivel]

I really cant see how any system betting can beat the house edge.
Turbo, i know you dont want to reveal your system. But can you at least tell us 1. how many % edge does your system has? Edge is defined (bp-(1-p))
2. Is it a theoretical mathematical edge or is it an experimental edge(aka calculated based on actual spins)?
3. If it is experimental edge, what sample size?

[Moxy]

lol

Isn't the one and only tenet of a hg require that flat bet overcomes the odds?   Do you even play live roulette?

[TurboGenius]

Isn't the one and only tenet of a hg require that flat bet overcomes the odds?

No, there is nothing that states a "HG" has to win flat betting.
Is it possible to flat bet and win ? Yes.
You have to predict future spins better than what's expected (see Steve, we agree)
This isn't as complicated and impossible as you've been told.
I've given the steps to do this.

[D.Karas]

There is nothing that states the HG has to win flat betting

Also there in nothing that states a HG exists

[Andre Chass]

You have to predict future spins better than what's expected

Stop with this BS!

You're contradicting yourself all the time. His whole theory is ridiculous and absurd. You're becoming a laughing stock.

You say past numbers do not matter. But for a number to be considered hot it has to hit. Then it will be in the past. How will you know if it's a hot number if it has not hit yet?

Either you use a crystal ball or you travel in a time machine?

You need look for help.

[TurboGenius]

Also there in nothing that states a HG exists

Fortunately true.
The moment there is proof that animal exists in the public view - it's over.
The game would be altered to prevent it being exploited.
So you can say "There is no holy grail because the game still exists".
Which means - no one has been stupid enough to post the details and math yet.

[TurboGenius]

Either you use a crystal ball or you travel in a time machine?

Why do I need a time machine ? I can see the future as clearly as you can.
I predict you will have dinner tonight and go to bed. See, I'll be right.
That doesn't make me a time traveler - it makes me smart enough to know the typical
human routine. Random has limits, it is predictable. Not with 100% accuracy and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of wishing me to get help, spend that brain power reading what I've written.
Or don't. Stick with selling things that don't work.

[Andre Chass]

Why do I need a time machine ? I can see the future as clearly as you can.
I predict you will have dinner tonight and go to bed. See, I'll be right.

Lol... But it's not a random event. Your saying the obvious. You're hilarious...

Please, tell me how can you sayit's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?

How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?

Just a plain explanation, please.