37 spins testing.

[Anastasius]

Contrary to opinion that it doesn't matter could anyone willing who reads this if u have large samples of preferable real spins but rng is fine also.  Find for me in all situations with 18 spins unique ( no repeaters ).after that trigger occurs and after another 19 spins ( so 37 total spins).how many total numbers are drawn. .. eg ( usually around 24 but varies between 18-30 roughly.    I only want results after the 18 uniques have already occured...I'm getting different stats than when starting from spin 1.. thanks.

[Bigbroben]

I could try if you accept Excel's rng, which I think is ok.

[Anastasius]

Yes, definately accept rng. If not too hard for u cause its annoying waiting for 18 uniques to happen... So 18 uniques. . (18 numbers drawn ) then after 19 more spins .how many total have come out...I need to know if 24.is still most common like my tests from spin 1. I'm getting different stats..I do it by hand.so its a annoyin... I accept any rng except roulettesim.info .thanks .just do as much as u have time .

[winkel]

I could try if you accept Excel's rng, which I think is ok.

Be very careful with Excel´s RNG it is misleading very often. Simply: It doesn´t work correctly.

[Anastasius]

U can start the 18 count from anywhere in the line of stats so of its .1.4.3.11.36.0.4(4 repeated) just go back to the 3 and start again instead of starting the line again.( if that makes sense )

[Bigbroben]

Be very careful with Excel´s RNG it is misleading very often. Simply: It doesn´t work correctly.

Ah?

Would you say it creates more, or less, repeating nrs, or how would it differ?

Some test results show the hit-nrs countdown very closely follows the downward GUT curve, for example.

Can you tell how it would differ so I'd take note?

Thanks!

[winkel]

Ah?

Would you say it creates more, or less, repeating nrs, or how would it differ?

Some test results show the hit-nrs countdown very closely follows the downward GUT curve, for example.

Can you tell how it would differ so I'd take note?

Thanks!

It is simply known that this RNG is not working properly. Many many people warn to use this RNG because it doesnt produce random results.

[The General]

Older versions of Excel had some problems.  Newer versions are supposed to be ok.

A good place for random numbers is random.org.   

[Anastasius]

Mr general I need to find lots of 18 uniques... I'm convinced from the few stats I have that if u start from spin one u will get mostly 24 numbers drawn... Then 80% in the 20.21.22.23. Range and if u have a set of 37 spins where the first 18 no repeats u end with mainly 24 s and 80% in the 25.26.27.28 range..... I want it to be all the same though so I can chase what's hitting I have a plan but need to compaare 18 uniques vs ( from spin one).it should be same but I dunno

[Anastasius]

Mr general I need to find lots of 18 uniques... I'm convinced from the few stats I have that if u start from spin one u will get mostly 24 numbers drawn... Then 80% in the 20.21.22.23. Range and if u have a set of 37 spins where the first 18 no repeats u end with mainly 24 s and 80% in the 25.26.27.28 range..... I want it to be all the same though so I can chase what's hitting I have a plan but need to compaare 18 uniques vs ( from spin one).it should be same but I dunno

[The General]

Unfortunately you have no way of knowing if a unique number will hit or if another number will repeat since each spin is an independent trial.

[Bigbroben]

Yes, definately accept rng. If not too hard for u cause its annoying waiting for 18 uniques to happen... So 18 uniques. . (18 numbers drawn ) then after 19 more spins .how many total have come out...I need to know if 24.is still most common like my tests from spin 1. I'm getting different stats..I do it by hand.so its a annoyin... I accept any rng except roulettesim.info .thanks .just do as much as u have time .

Anastasius,
I'll post your request in the Excel help thread.

[Blueprint]

Unfortunately you have no way of knowing if a unique number will hit or if another number will repeat since each spin is an independent trial.

But, is it always?

[falkor2k15]

But, is it always?

It certainly seems that way. I tested billions of spins with bets on uniques and repeats in different situations, and it's never tilted either side of break even. That's when I decided to do a heat map based on repeat cycles only to visually prove what The General stated:
"Unfortunately you have no way of knowing if a unique number will hit or if another number will repeat since each spin is an independent trial."

I then realised that repeats and uniques are just labels. They don't occur due to probability per se and can't even be predicted in a way that could gain profit - they simply fall in line with any sequence that you put it front of it, and form patterns.

For example:
1... next spin has 33% chance of 1,2 or 3 (dozen repeats)
Since there is more chance of getting 2+3 (66%) compared to 1 (33%) the next spin has less chance of repeating (12 or 13).

1... more chance repeat will end on 1, i.e 121 or 11.
This simply means the same thing as the previous example, but over the course of 3 spins instead of 1 spin.
1.... 123 or 213 or 321

If you take away the past spin then the repeats and uniques mean nothing.

[Herby]

if u have a set of 37 spins where the first 18 no repeats u end ....

100 000 trials with the above idea (first 18 no repeats):

{{19, 4}, {20, 57}, {21, 418}, {22, 2142}, {23, 6484},
{24, 14305}, {25, 21684}, {26, 23349}, {27, 17450},
{28, 9378}, {29, 3603}, {30, 917}, {31, 189}, {32, 19}, {33, 1}}

example: 23349 times 26 different numbers in 37 spins