37 spins testing.

[Bigbroben]

Interesting:

comparing normal distribution with the above numbers:

[nottophammer]

BBB
i'll accept spins 11-40; 15 non-hit +/-  and 60 spins 30 non-hit+/-
From the recommended site the general quoted


Don't matter if random.org or Mort's ef-bet or even J247.com it's still usually 15 and 30 

[Blueprint]

It certainly seems that way. I tested billions of spins with bets on uniques and repeats in different situations, and it's never tilted either side of break even. That's when I decided to do a heat map based on repeat cycles only to visually prove what The General stated:
"Unfortunately you have no way of knowing if a unique number will hit or if another number will repeat since each spin is an independent trial."

I then realised that repeats and uniques are just labels. They don't occur due to probability per se and can't even be predicted in a way that could gain profit - they simply fall in line with any sequence that you put it front of it, and form patterns.

For example:
1... next spin has 33% chance of 1,2 or 3 (dozen repeats)
Since there is more chance of getting 2+3 (66%) compared to 1 (33%) the next spin has less chance of repeating (12 or 13).

1... more chance repeat will end on 1, i.e 121 or 11.
This simply means the same thing as the previous example, but over the course of 3 spins instead of 1 spin.
1.... 123 or 213 or 321

If you take away the past spin then the repeats and uniques mean nothing.

Same, same.
Different, different.
Same, different.
Different, same.
I don't know.  Rambling on.  Kind of looks like a Haiku. Ha.

[nottophammer]

24.25 - 8.767857= 15.482143 so you see on average there's 15 non-hit at 60 it's 29.83

It's all you need to know, well almost, it helps to know average to hit and max to hit.

October i'll give you the non-hit time table

[falkor2k15]

Same, same.
Different, different.
Same, different.
Different, same.
I don't know.  Rambling on.  Kind of looks like a Haiku. Ha.

Same/Different are just a series of 1-3 independent spins (for dozens) from the previous 1-3 independent spins.
You can take these independent spins and mark the relationships between them:
SS: 121 1231 121
DD: 122 122 211
SD: 121 11 122
DS: 121 122 122

All that does is create a regular interval on when your independent equally-likely static bet should change based on a template. So instead of betting the same single or double dozen, you are changing them periodically based on keyframes where you can apply stats. Essentially, it's a break even game with added keyframes like an AVI/MP4 video that has been given structure so you can cut out scenes more efficiently. It has nothing to do with prediction and cannot gain edge. As reddwarf said "no mechanical method leads to profit".

[falkor2k15]

I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:

Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3

Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
    1
122
    3

    1
312
    3

So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction.

[Blueprint]

No predicting.  That’s a guessing game. 

[falkor2k15]

No predicting.  That’s a guessing game.

Right, so going back to your original question: we cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint. And then we continue to play a random game, and patterns continue to form regardless of what we think we are predicting: SS happens more than DD, and it may feel like we are trying to predict SS when we are simply continuing a series of independent static bets @ 33% chance, resulting in a break even game with added house advantage.

[Blueprint]

When are you NOT playing a guessing game?

[falkor2k15]

When are you NOT playing a guessing game?

You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.

12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.

I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212

[Blueprint]

When else are you NOT playing a guessing game?

[falkor2k15]

When else are you NOT playing a guessing game?

It's always a guessing game. We don't bet to prove a repeat will happen. We choose a unit size and how much of the board to cover. Repeats will form as natural patterns independent of our bet selection. We didn't magically choose the right dozens for the repeat. The repeat happens on any 2/3 dozen outcome when you put 2 unique dozens in front of it.

[Blueprint]

Ok, if it's always a guessing game then you're playing against the HE.   Sorry, I tried.

[falkor2k15]

Ok, if it's always a guessing game then you're playing against the HE.   Sorry, I tried.

Yep - it's a always a guessing game. The only difference is that one break even game has no consistent stats applied to it and generally repeats the same bet all the time, whereas the other break even game has keyframes applied to it and involves betting double dozens that change on a regular basis. And then the house eats away at your break even.

Therefore, it's not a Random vs. Non-Random game. It's 2 different types of break even games.

[Anastasius]

Big bro Ben ......is the graph u posted could u please explain it ? Was my assumption correct that if u wait the 18 uniques then the most common finishing amount of numbers is 27 instead of 24.... Where as if u go from spin one the most common 24))) if that's the case its shame cause my tests show wayyyyy ahead if the most common was still 24.( after the 18) I'm amazed u got that info for me....... I'm grateful.....ill try to work around this new knowledge....I was close close......... 27.....is the most common after 18?? Fuk....Craxy