Precognition - PROOF! results from MPR - the real holy grail

[The General]

Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.

Information passing backwards in time would need to be carried by physical particles doing the same. Experimental evidence from high-energy physics suggests that this cannot happen.

There is therefore no direct justification for precognition from physics."

Yes, I also knew you were going to write what you did above.

The secret is massive amounts of Sriracha.  Not relaxation, no gay candle staring...just kapsin and Sriracha.

[Still]

Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.

Information passing backwards in time would need to be carried by physical particles doing the same. Experimental evidence from high-energy physics suggests that this cannot happen.

There is therefore no direct justification for precognition from physics."

No, that's only if the particles go DIRECTLY backwards. They don't.  The particles zig zag backwards and enter the mind of the precog person through a 32 degree angle into the cranium, thus providing indirect justification from physics.   

[precogmiles]

I see that as a weakness, not an advantage. When you're gone, the "system" goes with you. With a system you can pass it on to someone else, or rent it out, sell it or create a bot.  That's passive income, not something you have to work at day after day like a 9-5 job.

And did it ever occur to you that if you're getting results, it may not be due to precognition, but "intuition"? If you're practicing day after day looking at roulette outcomes it's possible you may have discovered, perhaps subconsciously, a way of selecting bets which creates an advantage.

You actually have a point there. It would be amazing if you could just create a system like that and generate passive income. But that is not going to happen, Casinos are not that stupid.

[precogmiles]

Look at the attachment

Hi RayManZ Thats really impressive, keep it up. I've downloaded that app and got 9 a few times.

I find it is best to practice on many different apps and sites.

Here is a result I got on link:s://psychicscience.org/esp3.aspx

[Let Me Win]

Precognition research seeks to establish the existence of weird phenomena while at the same time refusing to offer a positive theory of why and how these phenomena come into being.

This must be so because once you have a positive (i.e., intelligible) theory about the process underlying the phenomenon, the mystique is gone.

[Still]

Precognition research seeks to establish the existence of weird phenomena while at the same time refusing to offer a positive theory of why and how these phenomena come into being.

This must be so because once you have a positive (i.e., intelligible) theory about the process underlying the phenomenon, the mystique is gone.

Well i've offered a positive intelligible theory about the phenomenon so, yah, the mystique must be gone.  But i didn't know there needed to be a mystique. 

[Joe]

The only way you know anything to be true, even just simply everyday truths like "It's raining today" is NEVER through logic. But only through experience.

This is clearly false. Most of our knowledge doesn't come from direct experience, or sensory perception, but from either the testimony of others or reason (deduction of truths from existing knowledge). I guess you should include memory too.

All logic can stop, and you'd still exist very comfortably.

Highly unlikely. If the only tools we had were intuition and instinct then we wouldn't have reached the high state of civilization and technology we enjoy today. Higher cognitive functions like learning ability and abstraction rely on reasoning. This is evident when you consider that an important part of an IQ test is logical reasoning. And reasoning is part of decision making;  we give reasons to justify decisions, and also to explain natural phenomena and the behavior of individuals.

[Joe]

Well i've offered a positive intelligible theory about the phenomenon

Well it's still an open question whether there is actually any phenomenon to be explained. And although this doesn't mean much to you, the scientific community is pretty clear that it doesn't exist. You've given a hypothesis which explains precog (if it exists), but there are a lot of problems with it. In the first place, how could it ever be tested? Who or what is the "prime believer" and how did it come to exist? It also raises questions of free will and determination, because if we are just objects in a simulation and precognition is true it implies that we have no free will, in which case trying to develop precognition is pointless, and so is pretty much anything else. It's a philosophy which appears to encourage fatalism and nihilism.

[hody79]

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[precogmiles]

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Pardon?

[winforus]

This is clearly false. Most of our knowledge doesn't come from direct experience, or sensory perception, but from either the testimony of others or reason (deduction of truths from existing knowledge). I guess you should include memory too.

What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.

Highly unlikely. If the only tools we had were intuition and instinct then we wouldn't have reached the high state of civilization and technology we enjoy today. Higher cognitive functions like learning ability and abstraction rely on reasoning. This is evident when you consider that an important part of an IQ test is logical reasoning. And reasoning is part of decision making;  we give reasons to justify decisions, and also to explain natural phenomena and the behavior of individuals.

LOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever.  With this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.

The greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being. This is how people are also able to use "precognition" to win at roulette.

I am not trying to come off as arrogant but I will say it for the last time: You are stuck in a materialist paradigm, and are totally clueless when it comes to these things - you are heavily disconnected from yourself.

Start doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place. You are in for a rude awakening - everything that you ever thought about what is "reality" is false. You don't have to take my word for it, just do your own investigation if you are interested in truth.

[The General]

What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.

LOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever.  With this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.

The greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being. This is how people are also able to use "precognition" to win at roulette.

I am not trying to come off as arrogant but I will say it for the last time: You are stuck in a materialist paradigm, and are totally clueless when it comes to these things - you are heavily disconnected from yourself.

Start doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place. You are in for a rude awakening - everything that you ever thought about what is "reality" is false. You don't have to take my word for it, just do your own investigation if you are interested in truth.

[Joe]

What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.

Animals taste things too, but what sets us apart from them is our intellect. We can plan, imagine, reason, think introspectively, abstract, etc. Sensations may be the foundation, but that there is more to being human is obvious.

LOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever. 

Of course IQ tests don't tell the whole story; there is creativity and social and emotional intelligence. There are tests that have been designed to measure those qualities too. But standard IQ tests do measure something real, verbal and spatial reasoning being the most important, and they are very widely used, like them or not.

With this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.

Nope, I'm not. And you've confirmed to me that you can't do joined-up thinking very well because there's no connection between believing in IQ tests and being a materialist. Do you even know what the term means?  Even from a scientific point of view it doesn't hold up.
But even if I was a materialist, you seem to think that's enough to somehow discredit me and dismiss all my arguments, and remove the need to make any yourself. How lazy is that?

The greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being.

More psychobabble. WTF does that mean?

Start doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place.

You sure do make a lot of assumptions don't you? I've been practicing meditation for over 20 years. I would recommend it to everyone, but it doesn't mean you have to turn into a sandal-wearing vegan hippy who spouts new-age drivel, thinking that it sounds profound. 

link:s://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

I'm guessing you're a big fan of Deepak Chopra?

[winforus]

Joe, like I said, if you want to remain ignorant, that is your choice. You are clearly more interested in debating and trying to be right, than to do the work.

Meditation can be done in many different ways - a lot people do it on a very surface level and do not bring back any insights or transform their consciousness in any way.  Self-Inquiry is an important aspect as well, which you can't skip. You clearly have been doing something wrong for 20 years.

I will no longer engage in discussions with you, it is clearly a waste of time for both of us.

I have studied these topics deeply, and have done the work - you clearly haven't. Why did I bring it up? Because it is connected to precognition.

I simply don't have the time, nor the energy to write out 20+ pages trying to explain these things to somebody who is so close-minded and clueless.

Precognition is only scratching the surface of what's out there. You are only beginning to attempt to play checkers, while others are playing chess.

[Joe]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me their results, lol. How hard can it be?

Yes, it's probably better if we agree to disagree. You think I'm closed-minded and clueless about precog and you're clearly clueless and closed-minded about systems and statistics.

It's a pity that you don't seem interested or capable of having a reasonable discussion about the evidence for precognition, because others (including me) might have learned something. Even a link or two would have done, but you seem more interested in putting down those who doubt precog. Strange.

Oh well.