Secrets. Share or don’t share

[Steve]

I am just asking 500 to become 10000

I hear the interest rates are low. Try a loan.

Don't you think if turbo could make that money repeatedly that he wouldn't bother wasting time with play money in unrealistic games?

I am the neutral person here.

You don't appear to be. Nevertheless, someone mutually known and trusted would be best to provide verification, don't you agree?

i need you to prove that you can make 500 to 10000 as well

Ive done roughly 50 public demos, probably more. Thats live spins, including on wheels im playing against for the first time ever. I've even done live webcam demos. If you are unaware, I'll post details of the next demo here. You'll see details like predicting where the ball hits the rotor. Really it's rather clear proof. Do the math with the results

I do group demos, but won't waste time to prove anything to you separately. If you dont believe my claims, i don't particularly care.

Both of your reputation is at stake

I concede. He wins. Im ruined.

Tin, I'm not interested. Anyone can attend phblic demos for proof of my claims. If you want to challenge turbo thats up to you.

[Tinsoldiers]

Don't you think if turbo could make that money repeatedly that he wouldn't bother wasting time with play money in unrealistic games?

Nice banter. As I said am not interested in opinions and thoughts, am interested in facts. You cannot fight assumptions with assumptions and claims. You will have to fight facts with facts. Why are you so scared Steve. Are you scared to admit Turbo will win and you have been misleading people. I am with you man! Prove or disprove or agree that all the talk that you have been doing has been meaningless and You dont have any intention to make people not believe in scammersyour only intention is to block HGs.

You don't appear to be. Nevertheless, someone mutually known and trusted would be best to provide verification, don't you agree?

Give suggestions of names. I am not precious about who is validating. I am more precious about putting an end to this mindless slugfest, one way or the other. I am tired of reading posts that are littered with puzzles and replied with irrelevant mathematic facts. I am not giving this up like you dont give up on your efforts to stop scammers.

Ive done roughly 50 public demos, probably more. Thats live spins, including on wheels im playing against for the first time ever. I've even done live webcam demos. If you are unaware, I'll post details of the next demo here. You'll see details like predicting where the ball hits the rotor. Really it's rather clear proof. Do the math with the results

This is what is called answering a question that has not been asked. The question was simple you have an rx code that makes 10x, then turn my 500 into 10000. If you cant, dont claim you can. Dont answer with irrelevant answers to my questions.

I do group demos, but won't waste time to prove anything to you separately. If you dont believe my claims, i don't particularly care.

The forum is your group. You dont have to prove anything to me separately. It is you who claimed that you can turn 10x using your rx code, I didnt. So please prove to the group by turning my deposit of 500 into 10000.

I concede. He wins. Im ruined.

If you really mean it, dont ever reply to the bullshit that turbo posts and claim he is wrong. I am not going to give up the challenge and will wait for turbo to answer, as i dont believe his claims and I believe he bullshits.

[Steve]

Nice banter.

Thats not banter. Its a serious question.

As I said am not interested in opinions and thoughts, am interested in facts

Then read back what turbo said, read the counter arguments, and do verification yourself.

Why are you so scared Steve

I don't like the dark.

Are you scared to admit Turbo will win and you have been misleading people

Not even remotely. I'd proudly admit being wrong, if there were anything to substantiate that. But so far all the facts point the other way. And you really dont understand. It has nothing to do with "winning".

Prove or disprove

Already did. Read back.

your only intention is to block HGs.

And every other professional, who shares my views, wants the same. Its a conspiracy.

I am more precious about putting an end to this mindless slugfest, one way or the other.

Then put your thinking cap on and understand what is being said, and verify it for yourself.

I am tired of reading posts that are littered with puzzles and replied with irrelevant mathematic facts.

Math it's only irrelevant when it's incorrect.

And if it's difficult for you, click the X at the top right. You don't need to read it.

The question was simple you have an rx code that makes 10x, then turn my 500 into 10000. If you cant, dont claim you can. Dont answer with irrelevant answers to my questions.

Ah ok. Yes i have that. They come with the rx software by default. I have better systems though,  but they have the same eventual fate.

So please prove to the group by turning my deposit of 500 into 10000.

I don't want to make money for you. I don't need to prove what anyone with rx here already knows.

dont believe his claims and I believe he bullshits.

Then what on earth are you crapping on about?

[Tinsoldiers]

I don't need to prove what anyone with rx here already knows.

I have rx and I can’t code a system that will make me 10x in the first attempt and then ranks. Can anyone apart from Steve show me a system that makes 10x in the first attempt. Steve, if at least one comes up with such a system I will shut my mouth.


All am crapping about is to put an end to this.  Let someone be given an opportunity to prOve in a neutral forum through empirical results and the other side get an opportunity to prove their disclaims in a similar way. If you are really open minded and what you say is what you believe then you would accept the challenge and so would turbo.

You both have been going extremes to prove your points and this should be a simple exercise which will save lot of unnecessary posting times that you both seem to enjoy spending on. 

[Steve]

I have rx and I can’t code a system that will make me 10x in the first attempt and then ranks

Here you go, first attempt with dozens cycle. Just random system I chose:

Steve, if at least one comes up with such a system I will shut my mouth.

I doubt it.

All am crapping about is to put an end to this.

For anyone who reads everything and understands it, it's pretty darn conclusive.

Let someone be given an opportunity to prOve in a neutral forum through empirical results and the other side get an opportunity to prove their disclaims in a similar way.

Pay attention. It is already done.

If you are really open minded and what you say is what you believe then you would accept the challenge and so would turbo.

Because I'm not interested.

You both have been going extremes to prove your points and this should be a simple exercise which will save lot of unnecessary posting times that you both seem to enjoy spending on. 

Hardly extremes for me. I waste time on it, but its not extreme. Extreme is spending months trying to win fun money on mathematically and "verifiably" unrealistic games, then posting results on forums to convince everyone you have the HG.

[Tinsoldiers]

Here you go, first attempt with dozens cycle.

Steve - to be honest even turbo posts multiple graphs like this. That is not proving anything.

The point is can you both prove your claims not in a simulation, not in some shitty rx, but in real casino conditions and turn 500 to 10000 with a neutral party. If you don’t want to don’t do it, but then don’t claim as if you have done it 1000s of times as they don’t mean anything not done in an environment that cannot be validated b

[evs]

There is nothing to divide, everyone is only dreaming and waiting for revelation. there is not a single mathematician on the site. There will be no victory

[cht]

The newbies of this forum are too often saying they want to keep something secret, not share it, or go to PM

That’s not how a forum operates. No one actually cares, if that’s how you are then don’t post, simple.

Share or leave. That’s how it should be. It is not productive. This isn’t me begging you to share with me, because I do not care, it’s just annoying to read

Between the constant Steve and Caleb tag team on turbo, flat earth, and the “new crew” not sharing anything, this forum is back peddling. It’s going extinct

Wise up people

(Andre, want to share your bacc method so bad? Goto the bet selection baccarat forum, DUH)


Half the stuff here is hard to read now

If this forum wants members to reveal their method of play there is a simple way to have that done.

Be nice.

If forum members do not stand up to emphatically tell off those rude, name-calling posters in a clear voice, then expect more of the "guess the grail" posts.

You always get what you sow.

IMHO

[Steve]

There are plenty of systems. What's needed is "proof of concept", which establishes fact that the method of bet selection changes the odds of winning.

Why is changing the odds important? Because the payouts are lower than the odds. Again that's 1 in 37 vs a 35-1 payout. The same people say to that "blah blah you always say that". Well try and understand it, then people wont say silly things like "I can only win if its random".

It doesnt matter what size your bets are. Progression is just a mess of different size bets.

If your accuracy is random, then you've changed nothing.

So when it comes to sharing a system, GIVE PEOPLE PRINCIPLES THEY CAN USE.

If you have only a theory that needs testing, then clearly explain your theory so it can be tested.

If you only want to give vague clues, give bad logic when people refute your so-called proof, and string people along, that's not what a forum is for.

[Firefox]

I'm not really interested to the secrets to any systems based on random staking or progressions without increase in prediction accuracy. I can tell at a glance they all lose.

Claim to increase in accuracy of prediction is usually based on one of a few classics.

• Sleepers
• Repeaters
• Following the wheel
• Betting for a change
• Short term patterns
• Triggers
• Lucky numbers

Any of these not backed by detailed observations eg Wheel speeds, ball and rotor revolutions, release point, direction of play, fall off diamonds, and scatter data, is totally invalid reason for increased accuracy.

I've found system players rarely pay any attention to rotor speed and the like. Therefore any system which starts "wait for x to happen and bet y" is automatically losing. If it continues, when first bet fails bet 2y etc, I know it will lose even more!

So people  can save themselves a lot of time fretting over systems based on the above. They will all lose in the end. If the poster insists they always win then they are either  (a) Lying or (b) Short term lucky.

Neither (a) nor (b) is reason for you to want the details or play the system yourself 

[Anastasius]

As much as a paradox as it may seem its about a mechanical method.  And multiple  snakes have tested my stuff and told me only "it works" then bailed. Without letting me know downswings. Or anything  just "it made 10k" so thanks to all those people if u read this.

[Steve]

Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.

[Firefox]

Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.

They probably care, because they want to win but I've been thinking a lot about this recently and I reckon a lot comes down to what is fun or easy to do.

It's easy to wait for 3 reds in a row or to record 20 numbers and then see which are uniques and which are repeaters. That's kind of fun and most people want to enjoy gambling.

But as soon as you have to practice for three months to count a rotor speed to within 0.2 seconds, and then memorize a table with 15 different rotor speeds x 10 different ball characteristics complete with further actions or memorize the whole wheel with distances between numbers it becomes like a job. And then it's not fun anymore.

One of the other things I do is play bridge and I can see the same thing among bridge players. To gain an edge you have to be able to count all the cards as they are played and learn various suit combinations etc. Plus put in a lot of time away from the table. It's not "difficult" but it is work, and it is work when playing. Whereas most people just want to relax and have fun.

So, I think that is the biggest barrier.

[Blueprint]

Firefox, they don't listen because they don't understand or care, and think we're just negative nancies. Or it's a conspiracy.

Or, we know you are both not the experts you think you are. 

[Steve]

Hey Blueprint, an adult says to a child 1+1=2.

The child says "No it doesn't. You're not an expert."

The adult shakes their head.

You are not understanding some people understand basic math. Some don't.

You're also not understanding that on forums, the knowledge of BASICS is so incredibly bad. You don't need to be an expert to know this. You need only a basic education and simple logic.