Ignorance is bliss

Nimo · Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Sep 25, 10:21 AM 2018
Honestly, how much have either of you won (real money)?

Are you overall up?

If you're overall winning, do all your various MPR accounts reflect your success? If no, why not? MPR bugs? Conspiracy?

I don't play MPR, for the most part I always test something with real money. I will only test on rs to see if its consistent. I use RX to chart my actual play, but I don't rely on their RNG, using it in the past I get amazing winning systems that go on forever which I know can't happen in real play. Another reason not to rely on it for million spin tests. Real money play, where you usually play is the best test. I'm very well up in playing roulette, more than I ever dreamed I would be. How much have you made in real money over the twenty years
Steve?

Steve · Sep 25, 11:07 AM 2018

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018I answered with your Bla Bla.

.. and everyone can see you avoid the question with "bla bla". It's called delusion. Avoiding the question.

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Just been on your MPR +111

And the overall result of all spins? Loss.

You can't just consider 1 session in the real casino and tell your family you're winning. That's called a "gambling problem".

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Steve the 11-20 spins ends 11,+1 played perfect to countback

You won one session. That's the extent of your proof. Your theory worked, for a few spins. Pitty about the other spins.

Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018Real money play, where you usually play is the best test.

Testing against any real spins is a proper test. Using RX with real spins and real betting limits is the best option for testing "systems".

Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 10:53 AM 2018How much have you made in real money over the twenty years Steve?

Are we counting my cut or what my teams have done? My cut is not your business. But counting what my teams have done, I'm not sure, but safe to say over $20m, likely much more. Ive been working with roulette for over 20 years, but teams for 10-15 years. I could show you recordings from hidden camera. I could show a lot of things. But all you really need to see is a basic demonstration of what my technology does.

How much do you think you could win with edges between 20-180%?

But Nimo, my technology is not relevant here. It shouldnt even come into the discussion. The reason I asked what Notto had done is if he had won, I was curious as to why his MPR results dont reflect his real-world success.

Nimo · Sep 25, 11:49 AM 2018

You won one session. That's the extent of your proof. Your theory worked, for a few spins. Pitty about the other spins.

He has posted two years of results where the KTF always reaches its target win point. Do you not have a target win point when you play? Or do you just say today I'm going to win $5678? Tomorrow $2367. He has a target win point, he reaches it, he moves on.

nottophammer · Sep 25, 11:52 AM 2018

Saint Steve the saviour of gamblers.

Saint Steve, i've lost loads, but since reading Winkels GUT, i found where was going wrong. But the piece of equipment that saved the day is COUNTBACK, combine this with data collected from 4 different source's the idiot generals starburt spins for one shows 7, 5, 3 lets me bet for non-hit or repeats.

You'll never except that now i do win, just like on your dodgy MPR, 7, 5, 3 just happens.

You will just comeback with more bla bla, but as i have said members should treat this forum as a library, take what they like, and test or practice like member Azim says.

Over to you

The General · Sep 25, 11:57 AM 2018

Notto,

Then why do you suppose it is that you can't beat the MPR?

nottophammer · Sep 25, 12:05 PM 2018

corr
the same old shite from you

Steve · Sep 25, 12:06 PM 2018

Quote from: Nimo on Sep 25, 11:49 AM 2018He has posted two years of results where the KTF always reaches its target win point.

.. and yet his MPR results don't reflect the apparent success. Simplest explanation is he shows only results that suit him. Perhaps don't be so naive.

Notto, if you're winning for real, keep doing it. Good on you. But everything appears to indicate it isn't the case. If you have been winning lately, I suggest not being surprised if your luck runs out.

In any event, test thoroughly with rx, with a lot of spins. One session is meaningless. If you dont understand why, you have a long way to go.

The General · Sep 25, 12:08 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Sep 25, 12:06 PM 2018
.. and yet his MPR results don't reflect the apparent success. Simplest explanation is he shows only results that suit him. Perhaps don't be so naive.

Notto, if you're winning for real, keep doing it. Good on you. But everything appears to indicate it isn't the case. If you have been winning lately, I suggest not being surprised if your luck runs out.

In any event, test thoroughly with rx, with a lot of spins. One session is meaningless. If you dont understand why, you have a long way to go.

He can't beat the MPR because he can't look forward in the spin data to see what he wants to bet.

nottophammer · Sep 25, 12:09 PM 2018

We have Saint Steve,
For got about you, you must be the Messiah for gamblers, the knowall of nothing

nottophammer · Sep 25, 12:10 PM 2018

Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 12:08 PM 2018
He can't beat the MPR because he can't look forward in the spin data to see what he wants to bet.

What like your starburst spins

Steve · Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2018

Quote from: The General on Sep 25, 11:57 AM 2018
Notto,
Then why do you suppose it is that you can't beat the MPR?

He already told us: "Bla bla".

Seems scientifically sound to me

The General · Sep 25, 12:12 PM 2018

Notto,

Anyone can win when they have the entire spin set and have the luxury of looking forwards and backwards in the data.

Maybe you're not aware of the curve fitting, who knows, but it's obvious.

I can instantly simulate the KTF and show that it won't work over the entire number stream.

Steve · Sep 25, 12:18 PM 2018

Notto understand this is not personal. It is a forum, and some people have enough knowledge to spot BS when they see it.

It's not just you. There are many holes in many approaches. It is not about someone's preferred method. It's not about sales. It's not about AP vs systems. It's about simple truth, and progress.

nottophammer · Sep 25, 12:23 PM 2018

well let the members decide for themselves, how do they know your not full of BS, it's not personal.

Nimo · Sep 25, 12:34 PM 2018

General and Steve make fun of trot, countback ktf, gut etc, but have you actually tried the proper method? I doubt it. I read every page of every roulette forum. I have read countless theories, books etc. Even tried to buy a copy of Caleb's book. KTF if done properly, with countback is probably the most consistent method ever posted anywhere. The important thing is that its done properly, not what you skimmed or thought you read.

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