Why not like AP players in forums ?

[winkel]

Here is absolute nonsense. To know the probability of the group of hits we firstly need know number of total attempts. Here we that not know because 4 more than once can be 8 but can be infinity....
And second, at all knowing that in X spins are 14 numbers which hit once - for us is worthless information - we still not know which number will hit in next spin !
The only information from previous spins have worth for us - is when we have big data of results and when do chi-square test which shows for us that the result is not random!

This is exactly the point why AP - Players are not liked in forums:

Here is absolute nonsense.

this is no argument. Such a statement is "nonsense"

we firstly need know number of total attempts.

All AP-Players ask for math but aren´t obviously unable to know how many spins are needed to produce such a result of 19 - 14 - 4. Proof your math knowledge and tell how many spins are thrown until that result is shown.

And second, at all knowing that in X spins are 14 numbers which hit once - for us is worthless information - we still not know which number will hit in next spin !

Whoever "us" may be, but for me it is a very useful information. I don´t have to know which number is spun next, I only have to know in which group that next number probably will be. An educated guess.

Chi-Square: That idiot of snowman/general lately said you have to have a chi-square result of at least 350! Happy searching for such a wheel. It has to have only one pocket or every pocket has to have the same result-number.

[winkel]

By the way Winkel, you know, that some peoples tried to sell your GUT for quite big money in some Russian forums 4-5 years back?
Maybe you himself that organized?
Anyway, your that GUT theory at least have some background - so the idea is maybe smart. But all kill wrong mathematical calculations if such was done....

Now that redicoulous argument. Do you think I´m that stupid to explain GUT in different forums for free and then start to sell it?

GUT won´t kill math it uses only statistical effects and stochastical math.

[RouletteGhost]

Which goes back to what I’ve said before

The math doesn’t change

But a player can use statistics to their advantage

If X number of numbers shows in a 37 spin cycle on average a player can use that to formulate a strategy of play


Disagreeing with this is nothing short of denial

The Steve’s and Caleb’s can say whatever they want to


It’s also common sense that one would be able to use statistics and averages to help their gaming success

[Bebediktus3]

All AP-Players ask for math but aren´t obviously unable to know how many spins are needed to produce such a result of 19 - 14 - 4. Proof your math knowledge and tell how many spins are thrown until that result is shown.

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Here is absolute nonsense. To know the probability of the group of hits we firstly need know number of total attempts. Here we that not know because 4 more than once can be 8 but can be infinity....

[winkel]

This is another reason why most systemplayers hate AP-people: they don´t refer to your arguments or proof they stop the discussion and try to ruin your reputation.

Or: they use brainless arguments:

because 4 more than once can be 8 but can be infinity....

So show me a sequence where 4 numbers have hit infinite times with only 14 other numbers hit once and 19 numbers didn´t hit at all.

[Bebediktus3]

So show me a sequence where 4 numbers have hit infinite times with only 14 other numbers hit once and 19 numbers didn´t hit at all.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-(15-16-17-18-15-16-17-18-15-16-17-18.... )  19-37 are nothit,  not understand where is problem ?

[The General]

Which goes back to what I’ve said before

The math doesn’t change

But a player can use statistics to their advantage

If X number of numbers shows in a 37 spin cycle on average a player can use that to formulate a strategy of play


Disagreeing with this is nothing short of denial

The Steve’s and Caleb’s can say whatever they want to


It’s also common sense that one would be able to use statistics and averages to help their gaming success

"The math doesn’t change"

"But a player can use statistics to their advantage"

Ghost,

That's a bit of an oxymoron don't you think?  If the math doesn't change then how can a player use statistics to their advantage? 

Maybe you could word what you've written differently.  I don't think you meant to say it as you've written it above.
Can you create an example demonstrating what you mean?

[winkel]

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-(15-16-17-18-15-16-17-18-15-16-17-18.... )  19-37 are nothit,  not understand where is problem ?

you are joking, aren´t you!

As AP-Players always react if the run out of arguments: They go absurd!

Tell me when you are back to normal discussion-rules

[winkel]

  If the math doesn't change then how can a player use statistics to their advantage? 

It would be helpful if you knew the difference and common in math and statistics.
Tell me when you learned about and I will explain

[Bebediktus3]

you are joking, aren´t you!

Not understand what is bad with this sequence?

[The General]

It would be helpful if you knew the difference and common in math and statistics.
Tell me when you learned about and I will explain

Winkel,

You're not at war with me.  Stop acting as though you are.  You're in combat with basic probability, math, logic, and common sense.

[Bebediktus3]

Winkel, I say you once more - you simply mix results with reasons - ball hits to pockets not because in past was some special results , but because of action of some simple physical laws!

[winkel]

Not understand what is bad with this sequence?

Such a sequence was never seen.
The latest watched spin with 19-14-4 was spin 30. (testrange 40 000 000 spins)
Can we discuss results which are not absurd.
Otherwise we can discuss 37 different numbers in 32 spins or the same number for 100 spins

[winkel]

Winkel,

You're not at war with me.  Stop acting as though you are.  You're in combat with basic probability, math, logic, and common sense.

Not me, you are!

[winkel]

Winkel, I say you once more - you simply mix results with reasons - ball hits to pockets not because in past was some special results , but because of action of some simple physical laws!

pls go back and read what I said to that.
another thing AP-people do: they come back to old arguments again and again and don´t read the answers.