Why not like AP players in forums ?

[RouletteGhost]

Sure you can use it, but it doesn't help, at all.

FALSE

[RouletteGhost]

saying it does not help AT ALL is just incorrect, false, and misleading information

[Steve]

Show me.

[RouletteGhost]

notto shows it everyday for years with his sheets....years and years of profits....doesnt matter to you...

[RouletteGhost]

but we all know how that goes....

years of sheets

years of REAL life play (not million spins mumbo jumbo) is not good enough

he didnt "test long enough"



cause you know, we must all test 3 million spins, thats practical

[Scarface]

You aren't changing the math either for the next spin, or any amount of future spins. Your hit rate is still lower than the payout.

Dozens have an expectation to hit at 12/37.  If you can play dozens in a way that you know you won't get more that 6 or 7 unhits in a row, would you really care about the unfair payout? 

[RouletteGhost]

excuse me sir, i see you have won and profitied over a 3 year period but it doesnt mean ANYTHING because you did not test it LONG ENOUGH!

[Steve]

Are you kidding? That's your "proof"?

Firstly, Notto loses on MPR with every new account he creates.

Secondly, you don't even understand the math or logic of what you, and others said. If you did, you'd understand Notto's logic and math are incorrect.

Assuming you do understand what you're supporting, show me the math. Show me something better than "Notto wins".

he didnt "test long enough"

Do you think he shows all his losing sessions too?

cause you know, we must all test 3 million spins, thats practical

You don't understand the relevance of long-term tests. Nobody will ever realistically play 3M spins. The point of long-term testing is to be more assured that results are not just variance. Understand even the martingale will sometimes win over 10,000 or even 100,000 spins. You are confusing short-term wins with a genuine advantage.

Understand there can be 100 different players all using the same system. 48 may be winners and think they're roulette gods. 52 are losers, and go back to the drawing board.

Most importantly, you claim to know better here. You claim to understand it. So show me how it works.

Dozens have an expectation to hit at 12/37.  If you can play dozens in a way that you know you won't get more that 6 or 7 unhits in a row, would you really care about the unfair payout? 

That depends on exactly what you're betting. I could bet all three dozens and be guaranteed an eventual "hit", wont I?

Most of the time you could also bet on colors, and not get more than 7 or so consecutive losses. The odds are against it. But it doesn't help, because the payouts are always lower than the odds.... unless you change the odds.

I'm not sure why you guys still don't understand it.

[Nimo]

Why are we here then?  Why do you operate a roulette forum?  Why not just an AP forum and ban all system play talk? 

[The General]

excuse me sir, i see you have won and profitied over a 3 year period but it doesnt mean ANYTHING because you did not test it LONG ENOUGH!

Notto curve fits his sessions by looking forwards and backwards in time in order to choose when to quit.
Each session/day also consists of very very few spins.   

[Steve]

Why are we here then?

Pay attention to what's being said. TRY SOMETHING NEW. Not something that has been tried countless times before, and is guaranteed to fail.

Why do you operate a roulette forum?  Why not just an AP forum and ban all system play talk? 

There is such a thing as a stupid question.

This is a roulette forum, whether AP or "systems", and I would like to see people exploring NEW IDEAS. Not the same old trash that everyone should already know doesn't work. My suggestions are at link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19212.0 - no they aren't traditional AP. The concepts may go nowhere, who knows. But they are at least roads less traveled.

Every year there's a new generation of players that have no clue what the previous generation learned. Learn from other people's mistakes. And if you want to repeat the mistakes, learn quickly.

[Bebediktus3]

What is not clear to me - why system player when somebody tries to explain what he does wrong - become angry.
Really all that looks like if system player say- don't push me - I understand that what I do is wrong, but I want that to do.
This last is understandable - peoples come to casinos to spent time and pay some money for that - all is natural.
Problem is other - system player think, that he does good for winning and AP them not understand only because not have fantasy and can't think in the right level.
But how system player does not understand the simple fact - if they bet 12 numbers for example - their chances to hit are 12/37, because they bet random numbers.
When AP bet 12 numbers his chance to hit is maybe12/33, because he bet not random numbers but numbers which have the higher probability to be hit, because of something. Or in other words, he knows say 4 numbers to which ball will not land almost for sure.

12/33 is simply more than 12/37 and talk is about that ...

[Steve]

What is not clear to me - why system player when somebody tries to explain what he does wrong - become angry.

For a few reasons, but it comes down to their poor understanding.

When AP bet 12 numbers his chance to hit is maybe12/33, because he bet not random numbers but numbers which have the higher probability to be hit, because of something.

And that's all AP is: cause and effect. We dont bet something because the sky is blue, or its a full moon, or because it is "due" to spin soon. We bet something because there are real reasons why a number is more likely than others to win. Excuse us for thinking.

And the system players just don't get it. Any use of cause and effect is AP. That's WHY it's called "advantage play". Because it gives a real advantage.

You have to wonder... why casinos take AP so seriously, but laugh when someone is chasing hot numbers. Wouldn't casinos know their own business?

AP is far from dead. Only someone with no experience would say otherwise. An experienced VB player, using the right technique, can beat almost every wheel design. But most VB players are nowhere near that level. Show me a wheel with completely unpredictable scatter, and I'll show you a wheel design that cant be beaten. I've never found one - never. But a design alone is not everything. You need some other conditions to be viable. My preferred method is related to VB. But there are other approaches that work too.

Here's an example of a system player on MPR cracking the shits at APs. Why? I'm guessing maestro or notto.



Why do you care about APs so much you need to create stupid names on MPR? Do you even understand what AP is? You may as well have said "stick logic up your ass".

[Taotie]

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[Steve]