Why not like AP players in forums ?

[Steve]

He said he is close to a holy grail as he follows a trot on the Turbo thread

I said what??

Nimo you dont understand either. Its best i just leave you guys to learn for yourself.

[winkel]

You are. Youre not even understanding the basic parts, you really are lost, so theres no point to continue.

But I said all your claims are right. There are 37 pockets there is a odd there is a unfair payout.

So what didn´t I understand?

[Turner]

Yep.  If I have good lighting it can take about 10 seconds though.

OK smart-arse, tell me what the defect is with this wheel.

I know the answer, so you cant bullshit me

[Nimo]

I said what??

Nimo you dont understand either. Its best i just leave you guys to learn for yourself.

Doing a search this comes up that you posted

Actually I'm working on a martingale variant to apply when I figure the trot. It's almost done. I'll publish a 37 spin chart from RS as proof.

Trot and Steve

[winkel]

Its best i just leave you guys to learn for yourself.

What can I learn from someone sitting on a roundabout repeating the same sentences again and again?

[nottophammer]

What can I learn from someone sitting on a roundabout repeating the same sentences again and again?

[Badger]

I am looking at both of your arguments.
From a physics point of view, the wheel is biased and you can eliminate a sector, say 10 pockets. So I can see that you say you have changed the odds using physics.

From a probability point of view. When you have 18 hits and 19 non hit numbers you can eliminate 18 or 19 numbers and concentrate on the numbers you have chosen. This also in a way changes the odds from a probability point of view.
Both methods give a target to aim for. Personally, I am not interested in AP methods and enjoy system based methods. As for the OP’s question.
I belong to an over unity forum where people are interested in perpetual motion machines. Every now and then someone comes along to help us to see that perpetual motion is unachievable. They always get told to feckoff. We know the physics. We know we are wasting our time. But that’s what we choose to do.
If there was a forum for system players and AP players would not be tolerated there, I would join yesterday.

[ego]

Advantage Players also deal with random parameters and have problems.
Why do you think so many quit using visual ballistics?

10 years ago you started to see reports from VB players that the scatter patterns are too wide and erratic, ball jumps that spread over half the wheel and there is no bias pattern to emerge.
Then comes reports about finding tilt wheels, where 2 vertical deflectors hit with regularity, those games start to become rarer than common.
And reports about Nylon balls.

Today's wheel is more difficult to beat then in the old days.
You win the lottery if you find a 2 vertical deflector bias in a casino today.
Might get lucky and see a temporarily two vertical deflectors bias, but not with regularity eight to nine times out of ten.
At best you might find a 3 vertical deflector bias that reduces your edge to nothing and not worth playing.


Cheers

[Bebediktus3]

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Quote from: winkel on Today at 08:51 AM

    First bebedicktus claimed to know three or four numbers that won´t appear.


I didnt read that. If he said that i wouldnt believe it either. He understands logic. You probably just misunderstood him. His english isnt great.

I cant prove, but i can show i will name in every spin - 4 numbers - if they are random, they must appear about 1/9 so 1 time from 9 spins. They, of course, will appear, but they will appear maybe one time per 30 spins.
These 4 numbers I will name when till the end of spin is left say 12 sec.
On mine wheel i can show maybe even some more interesting things, say i can name half wheel which will lose against opposite side, so opposite side always will be the leader in hits.
Winkel, i asked you super simple questtion

If we have the basic situation of 19 unhit and 18 hit we can be sure, that there will be a situation coming up with 18 unhit 19 hit.
This is what I call crossing. If you look at the graph the line representing the unhit and the line representing the hit do cross when this situation appears.

Show how this helps for winning,  1-19 was unhit and 20-37 was hit - that is your starting point. Show how from this you get the benefit. That is only what i ask. Say what you bet in next few moves . You do not change odds - so next spins results can be every number. So how you get from that benefit ?
Is that so hard to say in some simple examples?

[Bebediktus3]

Guys all is very simple  - connect with me on skype - I translate wheel you do bets. If your bets win more, than say mathematic - all is solved - you are the professor of this game and I will bend head against you.
I do not have any aim to scoff - opposite I want to know something more, what I can use in mine play.
Why most system and some AP pseudo player afraid such test through skype? I not afraid, I know that sometimes I can predict bad and I will be happy, if somebody points me to mine mistakes.

[winkel]

Show how this helps for winning,  1-19 was unhit and 20-37 was hit - that is your starting point. Show how from this you get the benefit. That is only what i ask. Say what you bet in next few moves . You do not change odds - so next spins results can be every number. So how you get from that benefit ?
Is that so hard to say in some simple examples?

1. There is no sequence of random roulette numbers in the world where this situation 19-18 will stand forever.
It has to change to 18-19. this is fact this is for sure. It has to cross and it will cross.
2. Your odds 19/37 vs. 18/37. Which are better odds?
3. ofcourse in the long run you will win 19 bets out of 37 and lose 18 bets out of 37.
so statistics help:
start with watching not with betting:

19 lost
19 won
19 lost
19 lost
19 lost
19 won
19 lost
19 lost
19 lost

now do a chisquaretest. if the chi suits you start betting.

The difference of 1 (e.g. 19-18) or 0 (e.g. 18-18) is the nearest situation to the next crossing. Isn´t that a good roadsign?

[Bebediktus3]

1. There is no sequence of random roulette numbers in the world where this situation 19-18 will stand forever.
It has to change to 18-19. this is fact this is for sure. It has to cross and it will cross.

That will cross that is clear, not clear how from that get benefit.

2. Your odds 19/37 vs. 18/37

Ods for what ? if I bet 19 numbers which still not hit I have 19/37 to be hit and on such bet, I lost in average 2.7% of total bet in every bet - that I can do in any spin when I cover 19 pockets.  Till now nothing promising.

3. of course in the long run you will win 19 bets out of 37 and lose 18 bets out of 37.

Yes, when I bet 19 numbers I will win 19 times in 37 on average, but that will be always when I do any 19 numbers bet.

so statistics help:

still not see how it helps...

start with watching not with betting:

19 lost
19 won
19 lost
19 lost
19 lost
19 won
19 lost
19 lost
19 lost

now do a chisquaretest. if the chi suits you start betting.

After this, I have 17-20 on what I must calculate chi-square?
Show me on this example what you get, or when you bet when not...
Till now I all see as betting red/ black if I see 10 reds in the row I know that reds must some time stop hit and star hit black, but which is benefit from this knowledge?

[winkel]

So again: search for GUTCBA put numbers in and watch.
And hopefully understand.

[winkel]

Yes, when I bet 19 numbers I will win 19 times in 37 on average, but that will be always when I do any 19 numbers bet.still not see how it helps..

It would be nice if you read what I write:

The most simple explanation!
Attention this is not the betting rule, this is not the strategy, this is not a betting point. It is just the principle:

If we start betting our game starts with 37 unhit numbers.
After the first spin 1 number hits and the count is now
37 unhit 1 hit
after the next spin another number hits and the count is now
36 unhit 2 hit

if we follow the game we will definitely come to a point where the count is
19 unhit 18 hit

It is the nature of the game that in one of the next spins this count will change to
18 unhit to 19 hit

This principle you can transfer to
unhit vs hit
once hit vs more than once hit
twice hit vs more than twice hit
and so on.

and pls comment when you read the whole post not every sentence that makes no sense during an explanation.

[Bebediktus3]

So again: search for GUTCBA put numbers in and watch.
And hopefully understand.

So what - is so hard to show on example? Where is the problem? When we have situation 19-18 we cant bet? But you always explained that we bet on such situation, because near the cross.