Is proper bet selection really necessary?

[Steve]

Looks like youre being evasive winkel.

As Joe correctly highlighted, AI is a learning algorithm for when  a clear algorithm is not known.

Ive seen your system rules. They are simple and easily coded. I just want you to verify them here so they are clear to everyone.

What are you concerned about? This is your chance to make a fool out of everyone who criticized you or your approaches.

[Steve]

If you can´t find someone who understands AI and its sourcing he wouldn´t understand the rules.

So people can only win if they understands AI better than a typical programmer? Really winkel. Its getting ridiculous now.

Whats the next excuse?

But sure ill find an AI programmer. So post the logic and algorithms here.

[winkel]

So people can only win if they understands AI better than a typical programmer? Really winkel. Its getting ridiculous now.

Whats the next excuse?

But sure ill find an AI programmer. So post the logic and algorithms here.

Steve, I definitely know what I am talking about. Half of my life I was in systems analysis for programmers. I know what they are good in and I know which skills they need.

Easy example:
I told the people: Watch what is going on.
If a trot goes like this
18 - 10
17 - 11
16 - 12
15 - 13
14 - 14
would you bet on that 14s after that group had hit consecutively 5 times?
Everybody knows what I am pointing out.
Next I said: Make a decision to bet or not to bet. The chance to be right is the same as to be wrong. Look at your experience.

Everybody easily understands. But to code this isn´t that easy. If your programmer comes to this point when he has coded everything else. I (can and) will give him the prepared solution to this problem.

An again: There is GUTCBA, there are links to the basic (clinical) bet-rules, the programmer could start in the next minute. Everything else is also written on this forum. All is in open access.
Even that thief who had stolen my idea and sold it as an E-Book was able to find the basics and rules of GUT.

[Steve]

Steve, I definitely know what I am talking about. Half of my life I was in systems analysis for programmers. I know what they are good in and I know which skills they need.

Ive been working with programmers almost every day for about 15 years. Let me worry about finding the right programmer.

would you bet on that 14s after that group had hit consecutively 5 times?

If theres guesswork, thats not a system. Its gambling. Any logic can be coded. Again let me worry about that. Just explain the logic. The same logic you tell people works.

Next I said: Make a decision to bet or not to bet. The chance to be right is the same as to be wrong. Look at your experience.

I dont guess. Are you saying your system requires guessing?

If your programmer comes to this point when he has coded everything else. I (can and) will give him the prepared solution to this problem.

Im not giving a programmer half specifications. Whats the problem explaining it here?

Winkel it looks like youre just being evasive, and finding excuses.

I know theres lots of data scattered all over the place. So just give me clear rules to code. You are the master of gut, right? So just make the system rules clear here for everyone, so you dont later claim it was coded wrong

[falkor2k15]

Steve, you should know better than to try to get blood out of a stone.

[Joe]

I told the people: Watch what is going on.
If a trot goes like this
18 - 10
17 - 11
16 - 12
15 - 13
14 - 14
would you bet on that 14s after that group had hit consecutively 5 times?

Winkel, wouldn't it be simpler just to give us the rules about when to bet on a crossing? In answer to your question above, I have no idea what I would bet on. I guess that means I don't have "gambler's intelligence". ;-)

There seem to be 2 schools of thought in roulette : either you bet on a pattern to break because the opposite is due, or you bet on it to continue because it's trending. Neither of these views are consistent with the maths which says there is no advantage to either. But forget about what the maths says for now; maybe the answer is that both are right but you have to know when to bet for continuance and when to bet for change.

Anyway the point is that you know the system better than anyone else and how to play it correctly, so it does  seem as though you're being evasive. A cynic might say that you won't give the full set of detailed rules because then if the system is coded and shown to fail, you can complain that the "correct" rules weren't used. But that wouldn't be the programmer's fault, would it? Also, as falkor pointed out, if the system is never coded (and can't be, because it relies on the mysterious "gambler's intelligence") then you get to preserve your reputation, and without having ever actually done anything to justify it. It seems like the Turbo fiasco all over again.

[falkor2k15]

Joe, you forget how religion works... a false prophet's reputation is based on faith alone!

[winkel]

If theres guesswork, thats not a system. Its gambling. Any logic can be coded. Again let me worry about that. Just explain the logic. The same logic you tell people works.

I dont guess. Are you saying your system requires guessing?

Im not giving a programmer half specifications. Whats the problem explaining it here?

Winkel it looks like youre just being evasive, and finding excuses.

I know theres lots of data scattered all over the place. So just give me clear rules to code. You are the master of gut, right? So just make the system rules clear here for everyone, so you dont later claim it was coded wrong

I wrote an very long answer but the software through me out.

So the same in short:
Guesswork
for a special situation a programmer needs 20 or more different rules or aspects to follow. At the table it is good enough to know: If in doubt don´t bet.
JUMP this rule just says 20 spins to jump. But there are also rules where you cann see how many spins there are rally needed to jump into a winning sequence.
(for testing: Use GUTCBA, put in 100 spins, run the software; next you delete the very first spin and start again; ans so on; If you compare the results you can see what difference just one single spin can make.)
Just make a decision At the table you can´t check several ways to analyse, but with your experience your gut-decision will also work. But this gut-decision is not a cadable expression.

[winkel]

being evasive
Everybody knows that several people have stolen my openly described GUT and sold it.
You, Steve, now want to post all the details here for everybody to see. And then these thieves go and sell a GUT 2.0 and I´m left with just the honour? I´m not that stupid.

So if anybody thinks that I´m evasive: I´m fine with it

But if a AP-Player just claims it can´t work because ... (HE, 37 pocket, 1+1=2) and other stupid phrases and I can see that they (even you Steve) just don´t understand the basic Crossing-description, I will respond. that´s my right.

I don´t have to proof I know it works.
All the people who studied and learned and tested it over and over again now see what I mean by "Watch what is going on" "Make a decision" "If in doubt don´t bet" "Jump" and they win.

Everybody who didn´t study nor understands has no right to say it doesn´t work.
That sounds like iron is to heavy to swim or fly.
It is true: Iron can´t swim
It is true: Iron doesn´t fly by own decision.
It is true: there are 37 pockets every spin
It is true: there is a houseedge

It is true: There are people who can´t think out of the box, who can´t question old facts and rules. But they won´t find anything new.

[winkel]

Only within a private contact to the programmer I would open all detailed rules which are til now covered under "Guesswork"
And If you are going to sell it later I want a majority of the income.

[falkor2k15]

In the companies I've worked with, which are large international companies, about 50% of all decisions are at the end a gut decision.

[nottophammer]

Nice Winkel 
This is for Mako
Betselection just bet the non-hit, you should know the Trot?
The time table tells you 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 and at spin 60 average for non-hit is 30.
So Mako here we see a 10/10 so 10 +15 = 25 so you see 25 is covering spins 39/40. You can see this was played just now on MPR: R.org, whats the time table say?
22ND non-hit right on time; end now with 16509 units



Cherry pick that on the roundabout 

[ahlidap]

Anyone read this?
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ouch..

[Joe]

Only within a private contact to the programmer I would open all detailed rules which are til now covered under "Guesswork"
And If you are going to sell it later I want a majority of the income.

Seems fair enough. Steve can hire a programmer to code it and you should get him to either sign a non-disclosure agreement, or, if he intends to sell it, get a legally binding agreement that you will get > 50% of the returns. What do you think, Steve?

[winkel]

Winkel, wouldn't it be simpler just to give us the rules about when to bet on a crossing? In answer to your question above, I have no idea what I would bet on. I guess that means I don't have "gambler's intelligence". ;-)

No! Intelligence comes from empiric and experience.

Just watch the other example:

14 - 20
14 - 19
14 - 18
14 - 17
14 - 16
14 - 15
14 - 14

The same crossing 14 - 14 which of them would you like to bet?

What I wanna express: a crossing itself tells you not whether to bet or not to bet.
You have to consider how it developed.

another example:
17 - 17
17 - 16
17 - 15
16 - 16
16 - 15
16 - 14
15 - 15

Would (Should) you bet this crossing 15-15? Or would you like to jump to get rid of this structure?