Is proper bet selection really necessary?

[falkor2k15]

Anyone read this?
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ouch..

You missed the one about baiting! Deception is the biggest form of abuse there is... evasion is another subtle form of abuse that evades court action too. Small wonder people are confused over the good guys vs. bad guys.

[Nimo]

The great thing about GUT and other systems such as repeaters is that there are so many unique ways you can play it.  The basis is sound, things have to happen and they happen within the math. 

[falkor2k15]

The great thing about GUT and other systems such as repeaters is that there are so many unique ways you can play it.  The basis is sound, things have to happen and they happen within the math.

Sure repeats have to happen, but that doesn't equate to edge/profit. Each bet is static and independent of previous bets with proportionately increasing probability and decreasing payout:

1... bet 1
12... bet 1+2
123... bet 1+2+3
etc.

The previous outcomes do not mean anything other than prompting you to make a different kind of static bet based on the past 3 random spins:
bet 1
bet 1+2
bet 1+2+3

The most common cycle length for lines is CL3:
1231

But that doesn't mean that:
betting 1+2+3 is better than betting 4+5+6. Do you know why?

No matter what decisions you make you are still trapped in what is essentially a break even game with added house advantage.

[Nimo]

Sure repeats have to happen, but that doesn't equate to edge/profit. Each bet is static and independent of previous bets with proportionately increasing probability and decreasing payout:

1... bet 1
12... bet 1+2
123... bet 1+2+3
etc.

The previous outcomes do not mean anything other than prompting you to make a different kind of static bet based on the past 3 random spins:
bet 1
bet 1+2
bet 1+2+3

The most common cycle length for lines is CL3:
1231

But that doesn't mean that:
betting 1+2+3 is better than betting 4+5+6. Do you know why?

No matter what decisions you make you are still trapped in what is essentially a break even game with added house advantage.

Look at the title of this thread.  In the example the numbers chosen were random that repeated.  Its important because they repeated.  Numbers are there in one of three ways, unhit, hit and repeats.  That's it.  It all depends on what you do with that info. Some will figure it out for themselves, others will figure it out with help from others,
and some will never figure it out.  They quote the math, however it all works within the math so their argument is negated.

[falkor2k15]

Look at the title of this thread.  In the example the numbers chosen were random that repeated.  Its important because they repeated.  Numbers are there in one of three ways, unhit, hit and repeats.  That's it.  It all depends on what you do with that info. Some will figure it out for themselves, others will figure it out with help from others,
and some will never figure it out.  They quote the math, however it all works within the math so their argument is negated.

If there's 2 people at the table then number 15 is number 15 to both players. If they both decide to bet on number 15 and number 15 lands then they both win. Repeats and uniques on the other hand are not fixed outcomes, but artificial, temporary, labels. Depending on at which point you try to identify combinatoric patterns within a past set of random spins, each number could take on either form - "repeat" or "unique" to different players. No matter how you bet numbers with custom "unique" and "repeat" labels the result is always the same: break even and then lose to the house advantage. Therefore, repeats is nothing more than an illusion. It's just a way of keeping track of custom break even events over multiple spins. Till you understand the truth you will continue to be held back by fantasy.

[Nimo]

If there's 2 people at the table then number 15 is number 15 to both players. If they both decide to bet on number 15 and number 15 lands then they both win. Repeats and uniques on the other hand are not fixed outcomes, but artificial, temporary, labels. Depending on at which point you try to identify combinatoric patterns within a past set of random spins, each number could take on either form - "repeat" or "unique" to different players. No matter how you bet numbers with custom "unique" and "repeat" labels the result is always the same: break even and then lose to the house advantage. Therefore, repeats is nothing more than an illusion. It's just a way of keeping track of custom break even events over multiple spins. Till you understand the truth you will continue to be held back by fantasy.

My roulette bankroll created by playing repeaters isn't fantasy.  Not chump change either Like I said some will see it, some never will.  Its all pointless to you anyway Falkor, the world will basically end in a few years according to your apocalyptic thread so no point in trying to figure out this roulette thing anyway.

[falkor2k15]

My roulette bankroll created by playing repeaters isn't fantasy.  Not chump change either Like I said some will see it, some never will.  Its all pointless to you anyway Falkor, the world will basically end in a few years according to your apocalyptic thread so no point in trying to figure out this roulette thing anyway.

I've seen hundreds of spins go positive - only to turn the other way and end up losing to the house edge - long term guaranteed.

Exactly. The world will not completely end, but there is limited time before the population is reduced drastically and entirely new forms of control implemented for the remaining few. For the next 5 years, the message from the ruling class to us is this:



So don't waste that time playing uniques and repeats because you will soon be struggling for food and electricity. Chill out and listen to some good music and watch some good movies, like Donald Trump's favourite:
link:s://:.cbsnews.com/pictures/donald-trumps-favorite-movies/

[Joe]

If there's 2 people at the table then number 15 is number 15 to both players. If they both decide to bet on number 15 and number 15 lands then they both win. Repeats and uniques on the other hand are not fixed outcomes, but artificial, temporary, labels. Depending on at which point you try to identify combinatoric patterns within a past set of random spins, each number could take on either form - "repeat" or "unique" to different players. No matter how you bet numbers with custom "unique" and "repeat" labels the result is always the same: break even and then lose to the house advantage. Therefore, repeats is nothing more than an illusion.

falkor, your conclusion doesn't follow. Just because different players observe different spins doesn't mean repeats and uniques are an illusion, it just means they observe different numbers of repeats and uniques which have their own meaning within the number of spins observed by the different players.

[falkor2k15]

I thought I had finished educating you guys about the repeats illusion over at the turbo topic - was trying to get you to think in a different way so you can truly understand:

Sure repeats have to happen, but that doesn't equate to edge/profit. Each bet is static and independent of previous bets with proportionately increasing probability and decreasing payout:

1... bet 1
12... bet 1+2
123... bet 1+2+3
etc.

The previous outcomes do not mean anything other than prompting you to make a different kind of static bet based on the past 3 random spins:
bet 1
bet 1+2
bet 1+2+3

The most common cycle length for lines is CL3:
1231

But that doesn't mean that:
betting 1+2+3 is better than betting 4+5+6. Do you know why?

No matter what decisions you make you are still trapped in what is essentially a break even game with added house advantage.

This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:

You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...

2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..

1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
2 1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 2
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
2 1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3

There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:

11 1
11 21
11 231

Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:

11 23

Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.

I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx...

If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.

You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.

12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.

I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212

We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.

I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:

1

Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:

2             1... here it's a unique
12           1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231       1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat

So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.

I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:

Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3

Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
    1
122
    3

    1
312
    3

So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction

I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:

1...

Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...

11...
or
12...
or
13...

However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:

12...
or
13...

Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:

121
122
131
133

So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.

[Nimo]

You can't really compare dozen repeaters to single numbers.  1-2-3-4 may appear in one dozen an 20-20-20-20 in another, each dozen has hit 4 times. Apples and oranges

[falkor2k15]

You can't really compare dozen repeaters to single numbers.  1-2-3-4 may appear in one dozen an 20-20-20-20 in another, each dozen has hit 4 times. Apples and oranges

Of course you can. Each group - halves, dozens, lines, streets, numbers - has to repeat and has proportionate probabilities and payout odds. One is not better than the other since they all result in a break even game with added house advantage. You can even play 72 number roulette because it has nothing to do with 36/7 numbers. It's about unfair payout odds for all single spin bets and all multi-spin events too.

[Steve]

Winkel, first you say the betting rules are freely available, now youre saying theyre secret. Which is it?

[winkel]

Winkel, first you say the betting rules are freely available, now youre saying theyre secret. Which is it?

no secrets but tools how to use the rules at best.
It is like the example:
14-14 is a crossing - bet on it
in case of example 1 don´t
in case of example 2 do
in case of example 3 don´t

one of the thieves said I had made contradictions in the rules he just didn´t understand the difference a trot makes.

But what he did understand was: If the rule said don´t bet, then bet the other part of the crossing.
You see there are a lot of details which are not covered by GUTCBA. I think your coder wants/needs to know.

[winkel]

Winkel, first you say the betting rules are freely available, now youre saying theyre secret. Which is it?

You always try to find something which proofs I am lying or evasive or contradictionary.
What you don´t see is that GUT is a very elaborated strategy which can´t be explained on single sheet of paper.
Coding would need definitely more than 500$.
You can´t imagine what is in it. But I don´t explain more than the basic rules in public.
As you proofed it is hard to understand the basic crossing definition. 

[6th-sense]

I've seen hundreds of spins go positive - only to turn the other way and end up losing to the house edge - long term guaranteed.

Exactly. The world will not completely end, but there is limited time before the population is reduced drastically and entirely new forms of control implemented for the remaining few. For the next 5 years, the message from the ruling class to us is this:



So don't waste that time playing uniques and repeats because you will soon be struggling for food and electricity. Chill out and listen to some good music and watch some good movies, like Donald Trump's favourite:
link:s://:.cbsnews.com/pictures/donald-trumps-favorite-movies/

Falkor you have a lot to learn..
.winkel if you need someone to trust to code excel or rx pm me your email address and i,ll put you in contact...this thread will go the turbo whether you want it or not..
and Falkor your comments above are wrong...you seem to be stuck in turbo scenario...
your charts and explanations are the wrong path to go and a waste of time..you will find no hg this way...