Is proper bet selection really necessary?

[Steve]

Is this what you understand under "proper discussion"?
It is no discussion it is just saying NO or you are wrong but no arguments.

and of course the same old song of "changing odds" and "37 pockets"

I already explained it but lets try another way.

Using your same example as before, please explain exactly what you bet, what you expect your probability of winning is on each of the next spins, and why.

I only need a clear and simple example. Should be easy for you. Dont go on about how i always talk about odds blabla. Theres an important part here.

[winkel]

Using your same example as before, please explain exactly what you bet, what you expect your probability of winning is on each of the next spins, and why.

I gave 2 examples which one do you refer to?

[Nimo]

the number of pockets on the wheel still determines he probability of winning

"Odds are 1/37, there are 37 pockets and the ball can only land in one, the odds of the ball landing in a pocket are 1/37"

We agree!  The probability that the ball will land in one of the pockets is 99.99999999999%, you could get a croupier that is pissed off that you show up at the table, and fires off the ball so hard that it slingshots around the wheel and takes off into the cleavage of the blonde that I'm standing beside.  So it can't be a perfect 100%

[Steve]

I gave 2 examples which one do you refer to?

Use whichever is simplest

[Steve]

Nimo, while the mention of perky boobs dellights us all, your post doesnt addressanything relevant.

Perhaps you can also answer the same questions i asked winkel. If we follow logical discussion im sure youll see gut has no merit, at all.

[winkel]

Another example hich explains the idea of gut but is no gut betting point.

I have watched about 9200 roulette sequences.
After spin 10 there were 2431 sequences with no repeaters.
After spin 13 there were 817 sequences with no repeater left.

That means:
If I bet in spin 11 and 12 and 13  I have a chance of a win of about 66%
My odds change with every spin: against me:for me 27:10 ; 26:11 ; 25:12 
You see my odds are not higher but increasing
I bet max/max loss (10+11+12) 33 units
possible wins: spin 11 net win 25; spin 12 net win 14; spin 13 net win 2

I will take this.

I watch a trot and after spin 10 there is 27 unhit 10 hit once and no repeater.
In the past I watched this situation several times.
the results for spin 11 :
bet 10 numbers odds 10/37 wins 3 losses 7
statistical results should be 6 wins 4 losses
Expectation: in the following same situations it should turn to 14 wins and 7 losses (7 losses are already there)
The expectation will not appear, that means I don´t expect 11 wins in a row.
But I can expect more wins than losses in the next spins-

If I lose this bet in spin 11 I do the same calculation for spin 12.
If in spin 12 There are 7 wins and 3 losses. I don´t bet on spin 12.

(scripted example - it has nothing to do with reality)

additional example:
17-10
16-11
15-12
14-13
I don´t bet this crossing

14-17
14-16
14-15
14-14
I do bet this crossing

additionally I watch in which spin this happens
It makes a difference if it appears in spin 25 or in spin 44

[winkel]

Nimo, while the mention of perky boobs dellights us all, your post doesnt addressanything relevant.

You should learn to distinguish between opinion and argument. Your sentence is only opinion no proof no argument.
No proper nor logical discussion

[The General]

I will take this.

I watch a trot and after spin 10 there is 27 unhit 10 hit once and no repeater.
In the past I watched this situation several times.
the results for spin 11 :
bet 10 numbers odds 10/37 wins 3 losses 7
statistical results should be 6 wins 4 losses
Expectation: in the following same situations it should turn to 14 wins and 7 losses (7 losses are already there)
The expectation will not appear, that means I don´t expect 11 wins in a row.
But I can expect more wins than losses in the next spins-

If I lose this bet in spin 11 I do the same calculation for spin 12.
If in spin 12 There are 7 wins and 3 losses. I don´t bet on spin 12.

(scripted example - it has nothing to do with reality)

additional example:
17-10
16-11
15-12
14-13
I don´t bet this crossing

14-17
14-16
14-15
14-14
I do bet this crossing

additionally I watch in which spin this happens
It makes a difference if it appears in spin 25 or in spin 44

Numbers that have not hit are no more likely to hit than numbers that have hit on the next spin or the next series of spins. 

The trot is worthless.  Again, look down and count the number of pockets on the wheel at each spin if you don't believe me.

[winkel]

Numbers that have not hit are no more likely than numbers that have hit to hit on the next spin or the next series of spins. 

You won´t understand: I don´t talk about number hit in the last spin and I don´t talk about one single number that will hit in the next spin.

I use to think until next year. you can only think until the next second

[Steve]

You should learn to distinguish between opinion and argument. Your sentence is only opinion no proof no argument.
No proper nor logical discussion

Ok i take it back. Not everyone finds delight in perky boobs.

Ill address your example later.

[The General]

You won´t understand: I don´t talk about number hit in the last spin and I don´t talk about one single number that will hit in the next spin.

I use to think until next year. you can only think until the next second

FYI, you can only bet on one spin at a time.  If you can't change the probability of winning on the next spin, then you can't change it in the long run either.  The same is true when betting on groups of numbers, 

[Steve]

FYI, you can only bet on one spin at a time.  If you can't change the probability of winning on the next spin, then you can't change it in the long run either.  The same is true when betting on groups of numbers, 

Somewhere, down the track, over the rainbow, one spin jumps out with a higher probability of winning. We dont know which one, until it spins and we won. And THATs when the probability changed.

With that logic, every player changed the probability when they have won.

[winkel]

FYI, you can only bet on one spin at a time. ,

Jesus, this is a completely new information for me.
And what is if I bet several times the next single spin.
If I bet the numbers 1 to 10 will they never appear? Not in the next spin and not inte following spin and not in the third spin I bet them and not in the 1359th spin? Never ever again will these 10 numbers hit? They will never ever have a probability to hit?

[Turner]

LOL....the dream team, team up to run ol' Winkel outa'town

[The General]

If I bet the numbers 1 to 10 will they never appear? Not in the next spin and not inte following spin and not in the third spin I bet them and not in the 1359th spin? Never ever again will these 10 numbers hit? They will never ever have a probability to hit?

The payout will always be short of the probability of winning for your 10 numbers, regardless of how long they go with or without hitting.  If your 10 numbers have not hit after 30 spins, then the probability of them winning on the next spin is still the same as it would be if they had hit.  Again, just count the number of pockets that remain on the wheel at each spin if you don't believe me.