Is proper bet selection really necessary?

[winkel]

If your explanations were clear, why did i ask questions? Geez winkel i even explained what was unclear. Please stop dragging this on whinging about everything. Can you please just clarify your explanations?

What do you think do I bet if I watch 10 spins with no returns and then start betting 10 numbers.
And if I give example for the next three spins, how many spins do I bet? 76?

don´t aim to be that stupid.

[winkel]

Was that because you liked to make claims but couldn't substantiate them or answer simple questions?
OH another example for proper discussion?

You know if you make bold claims like you can know for sure which 12 numbers won't spin next, but you don't change odds, you should expect people to question you. Instead you whinge about it and play the victim.
So you didn´t read my posts at all. If you did, you would have seen why I wrote this. Not to claim this but to show the mistake of claiming "I can exclude 3 numbers."

... or should everyone just take your word?
Why should anyone just take your word or caleb´s

It is not the kind of discussion I was invited to.

[Steve]

What do you think do I bet if I watch 10 spins with no returns and then start betting 10 numbers.
And if I give example for the next three spins, how many spins do I bet? 76?
don´t aim to be that stupid.

Winkel, are you feeling ok? Your explanations are really bad. Obviously you think youre a master of explanations too.

Again can you please just stop acting like a child and explain clearly instead of wasting time.

[Steve]

Why should anyone just take your word or caleb´s

Ill speak for myself. I dont expect you to take mine or anyones word. I expect them to validate what im saying. When thats done, truth is no longer debated. I dont waste time complaining about everything.

Are you going to clarify your strategy or keep playing the victim whinging about everything?

[Nimo]

So while Steve and Caleb are off bullying Winkel, as the title of this topic and its first post I went off and made $7500 (real money) yesterday just betting as the first post said.  No computers, no VB, no wobbly wheels.  I did however was going to use the combined totals of both Steve's and Caleb's IQs, but that wouldn't give me a selection lower than zero (would double zero be lower?) Anyway I'm going to give Steve what he wanted as he posted in another thread, that he wanted a quieter forum.  I won't be posting here any longer and I suggest that everyone else does the same. 

[RouletteGhost]

Here is a run from 6 numbers that I literally pulled out of a hat.  2-8-19-22-28-34.

I decided I would start with a $500 bankroll and look to make a 50% return, the amount of spins didn't matter as long as I either got my return or I lost the bank. 

I took the numbers, put one unit on each and doubled the unit amount on a number each time it hit.  I got my result by spin 49. 

I don't have other charted amounts, but I have run this scenario many times on a roulette app and each time I reach my target.  Sometimes with 30 spins, sometimes within 90 spins.  I have run it past to see if keeps winning but progression bottoms out and negative balances come in.  $250 seems to be a good spot for this progression.  Haven't tried real money yet, just thought t was interesting that it always reached target on RNG.  Even tried it with 1-2-3-4-5-6 and it worked.

It's a repeater system, random numbers that repeat. 

So essentially you flat bet 6 numbers and when one hits you add another unit to that number until target reached

[nottophammer]

Nimo
Been great knowing you on here, all the best

[Steve]

Ok bye nimo. Probably eventually youll better understand whats actually happening here, how roulette works, what all professional statasticians, mathematicians, casino consultants, scientists etc are on about... and even how its possible to win with random bets. Winkel, who isn't even sure what odds are or if his system changes them, or how odds are even relevant, must know best.

Perhaps start your own forum and forbid any logical discussion. Ban anything related to verifiable reality, and encourage different versions of approaches that have already been tested countless times. Never learn. Ignore the foundations of a trillion dollar industry.. the people behind it know nothing.  Ban all critical thought, and when someone claims to have the hg, don't dare be skeptical - you might offend them.

I'm not so sure you're in a position to question other people's iqs. We all started ignorant to facts. Not knowing yet is not a problem - but having verifiable fact right in front of you and choosing to ignore it is a problem. Its willful ignorance, which is even worse than low iq.

Yes, i would prefer members who didnt bury their heads in the sand, or get offended when someone explains why their approach wont work. I would prefer members who appreciate i give my time and experience free here when other players pay a fortune for it. I would prefer members who didn't confuse bullying with calling out someone who has been misleading and harming others.

[RouletteGhost]

You tell people that continuously win that their head is in the sand

Meanwhile they don’t claim much, other then what they are doing is working

Can you handle that? Never saw him claim anything about HG. Only that he chose random numbers and waited for a repeat to reach target

It’s funny watching the pros say what doesn’t work, actually work LOL

[Steve]

Rg, he has said he wins more than he loses. Thats not a problem. I did that with a bad system for a year and wouldn't let anyone tell me i hadn't completely beaten roulette.

The GREAT UNIVERSAL THEORY seems pretty HGish to me. He borrowed the name from the Grand Unified Theory.

Put things into perspective. He appeared confident he has it figured out and that i was the stupid one. So ok, i decided to see if thats the case. Am i allowed?

So naturally, i asked him to back up what he says. Considering people follow him, my queries are reasonable. But his response is complaining and acting like I'm trying to destroy him. I mean grow up, get a backbone. People are allowed to question you. I don't have a fit when someone questions me... instead i respond with clear validating information. If winkel doesn't want to do that, it doesn't really support his claims or look good for him.

At this stage, I'm still trying to understand his ambiguous and vague explanations. When i do, we can run some simple tests.

Based on what he said, he keeps all the secrets to himself. He only gives part of his master plan to the public. You believe it? He surely made a fortune by now.

[Turner]

whats actually happening here, how roulette works

This is where I have a problem i.e What is happening here

The recent goal of that seems to be to "enlighten everyone" that the "game" cant be beat but the "device" producing the random numbers can.

Beating the "device" isnt roulette and when I last looked, the site is called rouletteforum.cc 

Roulette is a game with a random number generator and a betting layout.

i think many are a bit hesitant to post now for fear of ridicule...and the "old pro" count has dwindled and the Newbie count has increased.

Its definitely lost its direction (roulette) over to some left-of-field direction (beat the device or you are a retard)

Just a mish-mosh mess to be honest

Just my opinion as a 3000+ poster of 7 years (who cares? No loyalty cards stamped here)

[Steve]

the "game" cant be beat but the "device" producing the random numbers can.

No. If the device produces random spins, it means you are stuck with the same probabilities, and nothing can beat it. Except maybe approaches like precog, but we wouldnt know without more testing.

You are confusing explanations of why old approaches dont work, with something else.

Roulette is a game with a random number generator and a betting layout.

No thats a slot machinewith pretty roulette animations designed to fool players into thinking its roulette.

If rng is what anyone wants to play, then attack the rng, which may have flaws.

i think many are a bit hesitant to post now for fear of ridicule...and the "old pro" count has dwindled and the Newbie count has increased.

Point taken, and yes perhaps. But understanding will help. Im not against systems. Im against the same old shit repackaged.

Mostly i say nothing about specific approaches. Comparatively rarely i speak up, and it begins nice and helpful. But sometimes the system mastermind gets offended, says its a conspiracy to sell computers and im censoring the hg.. thats gets my back up a little because its complete bullshit.

Besides if people dont want free professional advice, which costs other players a fortune, they can post blisfully umaware in the system players only forum. Neither me or caleb will go there.

beat the device or you are a retard)

Not exactly. Nobody cares if a system player wants to tinker and have fun. I did for years. Where its different is when someone claims to have the hg, never loses, wins more than they lose and they have the secrets of beating roulette. It misleads and harms people whosee roulette as more than a fun game.

Just my opinion as a 3000+ poster of 7 years (who cares? No loyalty cards stamped here)

I get it but youll find i only arc up when a self professed guru is misleading a lot of people, or they are accusing me of a conspiracy, instead of just trying to help.

[RouletteGhost]

No. If the device produces random spins, it means you are stuck with the same probabilities, and nothing can beat it. Except maybe approaches like precog, but we wouldnt know without more testing.

You are confusing explanations of why old approaches dont work, with something else.

No thats a slot machinewith pretty roulette animations designed to fool players into thinking its roulette.

If rng is what anyone wants to play, then attack the rng, which may have flaws.

Point taken, and yes perhaps. But understanding will help. Im not against systems. Im against the same old shit repackaged.

Mostly i say nothing about specific approaches. Comparatively rarely i speak up, and it begins nice and helpful. But sometimes the system mastermind gets offended, says its a conspiracy to sell computers and im censoring the hg.. thats gets my back up a little because its complete bullshit.

Besides if people dont want free professional advice, which costs other players a fortune, they can post blisfully umaware in the system players only forum. Neither me or caleb will go there.

Not exactly. Nobody cares if a system player wants to tinker and have fun. I did for years. Where its different is when someone claims to have the hg, never loses, wins more than they lose and they have the secrets of beating roulette. It misleads and harms people whosee roulette as more than a fun game.

I get it but youll find i only arc up when a self professed guru is misleading a lot of people, or they are accusing me of a conspiracy, instead of just trying to help.

Many people win more than lose using their own triggers that don’t work.

[Steve]

Many people win more than lose using their own triggers that don’t work.

You've never heard of winning for a while, then eventually tanking?

Maybe you missed a perfect example of it... when mpr was reset, there were many winners. But gradually almost all players lost their winnings and more. Just like a real casino.

See link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy#the-illusion-of-a-winning-system

[Steve]

Understand I'm not the enemy here. I'm just explaining inconvenient truth. Don't shoot the messenger. Don't get offended when i or anyone says something that goes against what you think. Its not a conspiracy. Try to understand what's being said.

Again generally im much more likely to address a self professed guru who's misleading a lot of people, whether intentionally or not. Or should i allow my forum to be used to mislead people?

Should i just shut up because ignorant members might leave? Ive said it clearly. Id rather a quieter and more productive forum, instead of a busy forum going in circles.

And I'm not against systems. I'm against old methods we already know fail.

If you want to play rng, then attack the rng. Don't try useless approaches like repeaters, understand how anyone can rank high on parx, and use common sense why someone would chose unrealistic games to brag about their system, then try and defend such games. Don't be so naive. It has all been said before. Really I'm just trying to help.

People don't need to listen to me. But its at least wise to consider what's being said.