Is proper bet selection really necessary?

[nottophammer]

BBB
Is producing what is already posted, but its great info for new members and guests to see.
Look in mathematics section for;
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.0
Look to a poster name of Luck of the Irish, what he show’s Winkel has showed; info that’s so similar in its results, a member named vladir shows same info.
So the point is, if people’s info is so similar, like BBB saying a repeat should appear by spin 8, who’s to say this info does not give them more accuracy, to someone who just randomly plasters units over the table. In the above link a poster shows in the brackets, this is back in 2014
(This is extremly interesting. Some time ago I was arround this same thinking of repeaters. I generated some billion sets of numbers in excel and analyzed for 37 spin cycles. Only 1 time I got only 5 repeaters in 37 spins, and very, very rarely only 6 repeaters.  Most of the time at least 7 repeaters appeared in a 37 spin cycle, and many times more then that.)
So you take from this library/forum what you want and okay read what Steve is saying but don’t let him sway you with his shouting the loudest.
P.S, page 3 in the link, better still do some reading that light bulb moment might just come.

[nottophammer]

Now you brought up MPR
I see casino agent is sitting top, i don't suppose anyone knows what he's using. But at the end of the day, you'll give this reply its pointless it's not live spins

[Steve]

And on that note notto, i suggest people learn how to properly test systems.

Understand why large volume testing is essential, although you'll never play that many spins. It has been explain in detail before.

Use a reputable spin source.

Understand if a system doesn't win with flat bets, it won't win with progression.... yes progression helps you win for a while, then you tank.

[Steve]

Now you brought up MPR
I see casino agent is sitting top, i don't suppose anyone knows what he's using. But at the end of the day, you'll give this reply its pointless it's not live spins

No notto. I'm open to the possibility of the hg. You aren't understanding. I'm just not open to the possibility of the hg being a method that clearly doesn't at all increase accuracy of predictions.

Why? Because 37 is always greater than 36.

How many times do i need to say it?

[nottophammer]

Turner, waiting, do you understand the principles of GUT, sometime ago you explained to me what GUT was, i asked you was it intuition, gut feeling.
So i've answered the question for myself, yes you do, so what so hard for Huey and Dewey to understand?

Steve i see you posted the usual, we know, we know the odds are not fair, but as long as the bets win more than lose, what's the point we'll just keep going round and round on your staircase

[Bebediktus3]

All will be fine, that peoples can win if that will be true. Long time I wanted to meet peoples who win. And I reach some meetings, from peoples, who claimed about their wins in forums in skype groups etc.. But still not saw wins... All what i saw, was few wins in martingale style...

Then I organized a good web camera. All become very simple - find such winner in the forum, and through skype he can show, that he is the real winner. All very simple, but sure wins I still not saw...

What I can say after all that - peoples can say all what they want in forums, but if that is a reality - is the big question.

[Steve]

we know the odds are not fair, but as long as the bets win more than lose, what's the point we'll just keep going round and round on your staircase

Is the problem my english, or your understanding of english?

If you perpetually win more than you lose, you have an edge. That means you increased the accuracy of predictions.

But progression won't help if you don't have an edge, because your bets are just different size bets on different spins.

Im on my merri go round (better analogy than starcase) because you are on yours. We both keep repeating ourselves. One of us is correct.

[nottophammer]

Steve, why I collect data on non-hit, I suppose you’ve not seen these MPR spins, but there posted elsewhere, anyway, the link above in the maths section, members posts have helped. BBB is doing fine work, now he’s going to look over the Random.org, like me I now use them as Mortagon stopped posting.
In the KFC topic you’ll see 6/10 has happened 2 times in spins 1-10 for R.org, so why would I think dodgy 4 repeats, no, I’ve seen it. What’s next, oh yeah spins 11-20, refer to checkpoint, R.org is showing at this point in the data collection average is 7 non-hit for 11-20; oh look 8 non-hit came.
As I said earlier members and guests need to do their own study of non-hit, what do the non-hit do up to the 19th non-hit, average to hit in 2 spins, I’ll leave it there.

[nottophammer]

Wouldn't the Genius like those spins

[Turner]

Turner, waiting, do you understand the principles of GUT, sometime ago you explained to me what GUT was, i asked you was it intuition, gut feeling.
So i've answered the question for myself, yes you do, so what so hard for Huey and Dewey to understand?

Steve i see you posted the usual, we know, we know the odds are not fair, but as long as the bets win more than lose, what's the point we'll just keep going round and round on your staircase

Im no GUT expert, but I understand what it is.

I think even Winkel agreed with me that it is a tool to help you decide how to bet for that small window.

[nottophammer]

Thank you Turner, you're one smart cookie

[Mako]

Here is a run from 6 numbers that I literally pulled out of a hat.  2-8-19-22-28-34.

I decided I would start with a $500 bankroll and look to make a 50% return, the amount of spins didn't matter as long as I either got my return or I lost the bank. 

I took the numbers, put one unit on each and doubled the unit amount on a number each time it hit.  I got my result by spin 49. 

I don't have other charted amounts, but I have run this scenario many times on a roulette app and each time I reach my target.  Sometimes with 30 spins, sometimes within 90 spins.  I have run it past to see if keeps winning but progression bottoms out and negative balances come in.  $250 seems to be a good spot for this progression.  Haven't tried real money yet, just thought t was interesting that it always reached target on RNG.  Even tried it with 1-2-3-4-5-6 and it worked.

So essentially you flat bet 6 numbers and when one hits you add another unit to that number until target reached

Did a quick group of runs in RX RNG (00 wheel) just to goof around, parameters as Nimo detailed.  Seems like it could easily be coded into RX for a bigger run. 

End result: 9 wins, 2 losses, +2410u using $1 units, target of +200/-500u. 

[falkor2k15]

Is the problem my english, or your understanding of english?

If you perpetually win more than you lose, you have an edge. That means you increased the accuracy of predictions.

But progression won't help if you don't have an edge, because your bets are just different size bets on different spins.

Im on my merri go round (better analogy than starcase) because you are on yours. We both keep repeating ourselves. One of us is correct.

Correction: it's not win more than you lose because with double dozen bet you win more, but each win pays less compared to a single dozen that wins less but pays more. So edge is more about escaping a break even game before you even factor in the house advantage, etc.

[Mako]

So while Steve and Caleb are off bullying Winkel, as the title of this topic and its first post I went off and made $7500 (real money) yesterday just betting as the first post said.  No computers, no VB, no wobbly wheels.  I did however was going to use the combined totals of both Steve's and Caleb's IQs, but that wouldn't give me a selection lower than zero (would double zero be lower?) Anyway I'm going to give Steve what he wanted as he posted in another thread, that he wanted a quieter forum.  I won't be posting here any longer and I suggest that everyone else does the same.

Turbo, CHT, Nimo, Notto, Winkel, Junscissorhands, Mr J, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...all claiming to be winning more than they lose over a long period of time.

I sure hope I'm still alive when their systems finally fail...because it appears that's how long it's going to take for it to happen. 

[The General]

I went off and made $7500 (real money) yesterday just betting as the first post said.

Nimo,

Congratulation on your win!  Hold on to it.