Repeaters,progression,lots of numbers, profit YUP! AP, Computers NOPE!

[Bigbroben]

Let me double check this.  I just want to make sure before I scream Eureka...

[Mako]

I like this a lot, just out of curiosity I flipped it to play the opposite yesterday (nonhits), to see if the numbers would come in at expectation, and they did...though it seems you get more long-term sleepers that way, just dead numbers for 200+ spins, than you do dead repeats. 

It was still net positive though after 10 full session tests by a wide margin.  Very cool.

[RouletteGhost]

Mako

I was thinking about that

After a 37 spin cycle bet the non hits

Progression?

[winkel]

Mako

I was thinking about that

After a 37 spin cycle bet the non hits

Progression?

Big Loser !

[Mako]

Big Loser !

Winkel's talking about me, not the nonhits...

I wouldn't try it though RG, it's enticing because you figure it's easier to manage with the fewer numbers to bet, slower progression, etc, but in the end some of these f-ing numbers sleep for a thousand years, it's insane. 

The repeaters wound up much better in terms of profits and risk despite the logistics of actually tracking and playing them.

[RouletteGhost]

Got ya

When you bet the hits after the cycle what progression are you using. Or flat?

[junscissorhands]

There is no need to wait for a full spin cycle before betting the non-hits.

I've said before 8 x 3, bet opposite.

Think Vaddi, then you will get it.

[Bigbroben]

Again, define opposite?

[Blueprint]

There is no need to wait for a full spin cycle before betting the non-hits.

I've said before 8 x 3, bet opposite.

Think Vaddi, then you will get it.

Opposite of what? 

[Mako]

There is no need to wait for a full spin cycle before betting the non-hits.

I've said before 8 x 3, bet opposite.

Think Vaddi, then you will get it.

So if in the 8 x 3 sample the repeaters are coming up more than expected, bet the non-hits?

And vice-versa, if you get to spin 24 and the repeaters are way behind expected, bet them instead?

[Bigbroben]

Ahhhh...
cried wolf too quick.

Made a tiny mistake yesterday....
and the results are way more tasteless than previously thought.

Still, there is a little influence.

Hitrate % difference vs theory is like this:
1st 100k:


2nd 100k:


Shows somewhat of an upside down U-shaped line.  Probably not enough of a margin to overcome house edge, unless you want to bet like 10 times in 100k spins.

Would be curious to try with more 100k spins...

So, no Eureka yet.

[winkel]

Ahhhh...
cried wolf too quick.

Made a tiny mistake yesterday....
and the results are way more tasteless than previously thought.

Still, there is a little influence.

Hitrate % difference vs theory is like this:
1st 100k:


2nd 100k:


Shows somewhat of an upside down U-shaped line.  Probably not enough of a margin to overcome house edge, unless you want to bet like 10 times in 100k spins.

Would be curious to try with more 100k spins...

So, no Eureka yet.

As I always said: in the long run, you will meet the values of the probability. (of course with a little variance).
That means in the short run: If we lost 20 bets on 19vs18 the odds for 19 now to hit in a higher frequence than 19/37 is increased. That doesn´t mean I changed the odds. I just watched it and find a time to bet or a time to bet the opposite.

[Nimo]

Yes at spin 20 probability is more than double of spin 1, so a safer bet indeed.[/size]

GUT 18/19[/size]Spin 1 probability of a hit is 48.6486% Spin 2 probability of a hit is 73.6303%Spin 3 probability of a hit is 86.4588%Spin 4 probability of a hit is 93.0464%Spin 5 probability of a hit is 96.4292%Spin 6 probability of a hit is 98.1663%Spin 7 probability of a hit is 99.0584%Spin 8 probability of a hit is 99.5164%Spin 9 probability of a hit is 99.7517%Spin 10 probability of a hit is 99.8724%Spin 11 probability of a hit is 99.9345%Spin 12 probability of a hit is  99.9663%Spin 13 probability of a hit is 99.9827%Spin 14 probability of a hit is 99.9911%Spin 15 probability of a hit is 99.9954%Spin 16 probability of a hit is 99.9976%Spin 17 probability of a hit is 99.9987%Spin 18 probability of a hit is 99.9993%Spin 19 probability of a hit is 99.9996%Spin 20 probability of a hit is 99.9998%Spin 21 probability of a hit is 99.9999%Spin 22 probability of a hit is 99.9999%




For those that are using the original way I posted this system and are profiting, be sure to thank Winkel & Notto for their endless work with GUT, KTF, and trot.  And of course Ayk for the wonderful tracker that makes things so much easier.  Thank you to all three! 

[ayk]

Sorry Nimo, little late.
Improved tracker available. Feel free to click on unhit, single, repeater, to highlight corresponding # on table.
Click them again to toggle back.
Why two different values under REP column?
1st col = x of 37 numbers are repeats
2nd col = total number of repeats hit. Means for example #24 hit 3 times. Its 1 repeater but has 2 repeat hits in our cycle. Hope could explain it understandable.
The row at tables bottom giving same data, just split up left and right. Zero is counted as it is.
Random button imports 37 spins from random.org. Trust em or not, i dont care
For debug purpose unh unq and rep numbers are displayed under table, to cross check highlighted values.
Thx to 6th for insp. ideas.

Rolling37 v2

# Seams some ppl still not understood that this "rolling" tracker can be used as standard tracker too. Just change "max spins to track" in config section to whatever u want. Just wanted to hint, as got so many confusing questions.

Cheers

[Blood Angel]

Sorry Nimo, little late.
Improved tracker available. Feel free to click on unhit, single, repeater, to highlight corresponding # on table.
Click them again to toggle back.
Why two different values under REP column?
1st col = x of 37 numbers are repeats
2nd col = total number of repeats hit. Means for example #24 hit 3 times. Its 1 repeater but has 2 repeat hits in our cycle. Hope could explain it understandable.
The row at tables bottom giving same data, just split up left and right. Zero is counted as it is.
Random button imports 37 spins from random.org. Trust em or not, i dont care
For debug purpose unh unq and rep numbers are displayed under table, to cross check highlighted values.
Thx to 6th for insp. ideas.

Rolling37 v2

# Seams some ppl still not understood that this "rolling" tracker can be used as standard tracker too. Just change "max spins to track" in config section to whatever u want. Just wanted to hint, as got so many confusing questions.

Cheers

Cheers Ayk. Your trackers are very much appreciated.