@ Caleb regarding your biased numbers. Genuine questions

[Roulettebeater]

whats going on here!
can't we enjoy only one discussion with no offense?

[The General]

Give me online where I can play for 20-40 minutes, make my bank and enjoy the rest of my day.  No stink or whatever else goes with it.

Nimo,

Why are you afraid to just take a break and use the restroom?  Taking a break every now and then doesn't affect anything.

[Nimo]

Nimo,

Why are you afraid to just take a break and use the restroom?  Taking a break every now and then doesn't affect anything.

You are beginning to worry me Caleb, have you been tested for dementia?  In all seriousness, you seem to have cognitive dysfunction, you don't read what is written, you read what you perceive and reply in that fashion.  If you haven't been tested, for the sake of your children please get tested.  I have experience with symptoms as some of my family members suffered from it.

[Roulettebeater]

Hey Steve,

This is from your website:

"When is betting progression a good thing?
Positive progression can are often used to recover losses if you first have an edge. But you need to be sure about your edge, which means you should have a strong mechanism or analysis method for determining whether or not you have an edge"


what do you mean with " But you need to be sure about your edge"?

how do you verify that you have a real edge?

[Steve]

how do you track so many spins and not draw suspension for so long?

Many ways. Easiest is use teams and video record spins.

To find true bias in a wheel, I'm assuming you would need to track around 10,000 spins.

No thats just for single number bias, and if you're looking only at winning numbers and nothing else. In reality, you first identify a likely biased wheel from observations.

Also, why would the casino spend so much on tracking software and not use it to catch bias? 

Such software is made to SELL, not to do everything it could and should. The latest versions are only just scratching the surface. Casino staff are mostly clueless. Their more experienced staff may attend seminars and have "semi-experts" explain things to them in crash courses. But there's no deeper understanding of it.

Even if casino knows the wheel is bias, and plays it anyway, why would they let someone make a killing on those bias numbers without shutting down the table?

No they don't know about it, at least not before it's too late. Assuming we're talking modern approaches.

If there's a team mixing up bets, and there's a bias on 32, and the bets are sprinkled everywhere... but the combined bets of all players over multiple spins lead to more bets being placed on 32, then how would the casino know? They'd need to tally up all the bets from all players, and determine which of them are in the team, which no staff member would realistically do until they check wheel payouts and notice their profits are down.

Then consider on top of the covert bets, team players change, and bets on the biased numbers only occur with specific conditions that the casino software doesn't even consider.

It doesnt mean the casino makes a loss, because there are other players at the table. But maybe they were expecting $500k profit but only got $400k over a month. A month. A bit too late considering the bias team took $100k.

There's a lot more to it but you are asking good questions.

[Steve]

I'm sure both Caleb and I are reluctant to go into more detail. The smarter casino consultants check the forums and easily sort through bullshit, and focus on what may help them to detect APs.

If we explained a lot more detail, the only people who would likely care, understand or benefit from it are the casino consultants.

So it really makes no sense to go into more detail here.

[Steve]

Regarding the consultants, there are many. They often speak trash about each other. And a lot of them are full of shit. Take Richard Marcus for example... he found out about my Hybrid computers then publicly stated his associates had one and that it worked, blah blah. But at the time I knew very well who had my hybrid and none of them had any contact with Richard. So he was just making his claim to act like he's "in the know".  I called him out on his lie, so he changed his tune and called me names. There are others who are equally full of shit like Michael Barnett, who had a dummy spit when I refused to send him a free roulette computer. He got angry so sent my photo to be published, which was acquired from the griffin database (database of professional players shared between casinos). Not like it matters considering I play from home.

I could explain more but these consultants are usually ex-players. But they weren't particularly successful players, and their play goes back often 30+ years. They are very much in the dark about what is being done today. The best "casino consultants" are probably 5+ years behind the modern APs. The people actually doing it all, real play - mostly you don't hear about them. You wont for a while yet.

[Madi]

Regarding the consultants, there are many. They often speak trash about each other. And a lot of them are full of shit. Take Richard Marcus for example... he found out about my Hybrid computers then publicly stated his associates had one and that it worked, blah blah. But at the time I knew very well who had my hybrid and none of them had any contact with Richard. So he was just making his claim to act like he's "in the know".  I called him out on his lie, so he changed his tune and called me names. There are others who are equally full of shit like Michael Barnett, who had a dummy spit when I refused to send him a free roulette computer. He got angry so sent my photo to be published, which was acquired from the griffin database (database of professional players shared between casinos). Not like it matters considering I play from home.

I could explain more but these consultants are usually ex-players. But they weren't particularly successful players, and their play goes back often 30+ years. They are very much in the dark about what is being done today. The best "casino consultants" are probably 5+ years behind the modern APs. The people actually doing it all, real play - mostly you don't hear about them. You wont for a while yet.

U forget to mention one more name.

General

[Steve]

Caleb's knowledge is very detailed and specific in some areas. He knows a lot more than average casino consultants. In all honesty I don't know much about him besides what he posts. We agree on almost everything... which makes him "almost" 100% correct 

So you don't like him. Why? Because he can be a patronizing ass sometimes? It really gets old explaining the same really basic stuff that for some reason isnt being understood. It would be sand in anyone's crotch.

[Madi]

Who said i dont like him. I really like his manipulation technique.  Like

A lot of turbo follower asked question time to time to get his final . But he refused to answer exactly . That makes sense.

But he hand over his exact strategy to general even general never ask for that.

[The General]

Who said i dont like him. I really like his manipulation technique.  Like

Yes, I am loved by all. 

A lot of turbo follower asked question time to time to get his final . But he refused to answer exactly . That makes sense.

I refused to answer what?

But he hand over his exact strategy to general even general never ask for that.

Can you explain what you mean? 

[Madi]

Yes, I am loved by all. 


I refused to answer what?

That quote is about tubro not u

[The General]

Well, I'm sure that you love me more.

[Madi]

General

We heard about kristian kaisan as good bais player . We never heard of u. Are u a undercover?

[The General]

General

We heard about kristian kaisan as good bais. We never heard of u. Are u a undercover?

Kaisan is not a biased wheel player.  He is a VB player.

But, I'm both a VB player and a biased wheel player. 

Kaisan has had success but you've heard of him because he did some interviews in Europe.  I've turned down interviews.   However I was in the press on a few different occasions.  He's in Europe, I'm not.  But we've met.

The most successful players are usually the ones you don't hear about.